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Hello I'm Chun Tzu of INIT.,

I wish to highlight an idea that was recently the brainchild of a small debate on coms regarding changes we would like to see implemented that would improve EvE online. It seems alittle broken to me that 0.0 dwellers have all the resources and tools required to create their own mini-economies within eve, unfortunatly the present mechanics in EvE see us constantly looping all production and sales via jita, essentailly setting a universal market price. With this in mind I would like to propose the following;

CONCEPT

Allow player owned stations to have an Alliance and/or Corp tab where the market is only accessable to other players within that group. This would greatly improve the control of the markets and provide alliances the means to create their own micro-economy within their space. Public markets would still be present and allow inter-alliance trade to continue.

REASONING

There is a great deal of reasons why this would benefit the Nullsec playerbase. At present, the markets are prone to be manipulated by external forces which seems a little out of place. If you cant dock at a station and its clear your an enermy you should not be able to do trade with said station.

Also, being able to stock your alliance presently is a massive hassle, alliance contracts are useful for fully fit fleet ships but its painfully slow with no means of seperating ships into multiple contracts and limited listing periods. Being able to reliably list 100 battleships for your alliance on the market and know its restricted to the people you want to have access to them means you can sell your prefered fleet ships at a discount incentivizing your alliance to fly said ships.

Finally, by allowing more control you help null sec alliances become more independant. If you purchase from the alliance market you know your money is going to an alliance industrialist. In turn this helps production and self sustainability out in null. This could then open up a more meaningful role for industrialists within an alliance, new contracts between alliance leaders and industrial wings to produce certain items at discount for fleets would mean much stronger bonds will be formed between industrial and combat wings of alliances.

FINAL WORDS

You could implement this multiple ways but I belive its time that entities within Nullsec have the option to break away from the High-sec Loophole that sees vast amounts of needless logistics to and from empire. Selling in empire should be for profit, there should be the option to sell direct to your alliance too.

Chun Tzu

Agreed.

Having spoken with Mr Tzu, my concerns about this are

(1) Market PvP is currently a viable way for small groups and individuals to mess with powerblocs otherwise beyond their capacity to inconvenience

(2) The open market available to all is one of the binding features of EVE

I am open to persuasion if these concerns can be addressed.

EVE isn't balanced on what you feel is "bizzar". You'll need to provide game balance arguments.

The idea is not an intrinsically bad one, it's just that it would be such a radical change that I'm cautious of advocating it until it has been thoroughly explored.

This is a good idea. Malc is right, it would take a lot of examination to make sure it was not going to have a total unbalancing effect.

The counter to the argument that it is a way small groups can effect the large is . . . questionable.

The big ones have their own methodology for moving product and they have the deep pockets to hit the little guy a hell of lot harder than they can be hit. This would be far more of a protection for the small than the big. (At least that is how I see it)

But Mike! What about all the stuff I left behind?

Move it.

You lost the sov, the station, the region, the corp. Amazing your assets have not been nationalized. There would HAVE to be a grace period if they went this way for you to get it out, firesale it, whatever. The protection would come with a risk attached.

and that is the way it should be.

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I'd be hesitant to support this, there were quite a couple of interesting stories of people with spare jump clones messing with large blocs that drew me towards the game in the first place back, years ago. That being said I don't think it's a tool that works for or against underdogs: groups with poor logistics are those who get most impacted by relisters. For example GSF has pretty solid logistics while TEST is a bit shaky, but both alliances are roughly the same size. To a lesser extent a similar comparison can be drawn between the CFC and former HBC, but recent events have changed that. I don't know enough about rebel alliance/dinner squadron coalition members to compare them to CFC allies' logistics to their own deployments/home systems so I'm going to stop there I suppose.

As you stated, there is also an existing counter to this in the form of alliance contracts of fully fitted ships. The contract system in general is also your go-to when you don't want to deal with the open market. Implementing it certainly isn't going to break the game, but it will get rid of part of it that feels special to me.

One idea to expand the tools available for running a large market while keeping somewhat of a balance might be to expand the current contract system to allow you to limit public contract availability by standings? It's somewhat annoying that you can run private contracts for your alliance but have to do public contracts for bloc members. I think it would be more helpful for an independent economy from the perspective of my own coalition.

Edit: though you only ask for corp/alliance market tabs, I do think coalition-wide private contracts is something to be considered. Perhaps or perhaps not for this thread, vOv.

Completly agree.

The thing is even if someone says market pvp is viable tactic it is if it makes sense. How you can even buy stuff from station you dont have access to or pick it up. Many alliances operate under NBSI so other entity event cant dock to retrieve the materials they bought.

This would be far nicer at a POS.

Mining corps cannot currently collect tax from people like ratting/mission corps can.

A Limited Market module would be nice and fix quite a few issues with other professions like mining, salvaging, etc..

These corps are currently totally broken for mining, salvaging when it comes to getting over 30 odd members.
Doing this work via the contracts menu is hideous and makes the entire situation untenable for new players in the corp also.
Trying to run mining corps in low-sec requires some kind of POS mechanic to deal with buying minerals and ore from players AT THE POS otherwise new players are expected to do their own logistics in low-sec - this is not reasonable.

The same 24 hour limit after onlining could be applied, the only new part would be removal of the market once it was offlined/destroyed.

A CORP - not alliance - being able to apply taxation to ore/minerals is really needed.

Although a fair question probably is - where do the items go ? :)