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Vindicator vs Machariel ratting (Angel vs Serp/Gur)
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OiOiDannyBoy
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-05-23 15:44:11 UTC
Okay, so this is something I havent yet quite figured out.

This is IN TERMS OF ISK/HR, or simply TICKS.

Vindicator:
+ Good Tracking
+ Awesome DPS
- Bad optimal/fall-off with T2 ammo, still bad fall-off with faction ammo.

Machariel:
- Bad Tracking
- Lower DPS
- Awesome optimal/fall-off even with T2 ammo.

So, in terms of Interstellar Kredits per hour, including ammo costs, which one gives the most ISKies?
Jexx Destromath
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-05-23 16:20:57 UTC
Get the Vindicator if you want to achieve superstar status and have a full schedule of hot space sex with countless beautiful women. Get the Machariel if you're allergic to class and you don't want to be successful in life.


But maybe im biased.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#3 - 2013-05-23 17:14:04 UTC
OiOiDannyBoy wrote:
Okay, so this is something I havent yet quite figured out.

This is IN TERMS OF ISK/HR, or simply TICKS.

Vindicator:
+ Good Tracking
+ Awesome DPS
- Bad optimal/fall-off with T2 ammo, still bad fall-off with faction ammo.

Machariel:
- Bad Tracking
- Lower DPS
- Awesome optimal/fall-off even with T2 ammo.

So, in terms of Interstellar Kredits per hour, including ammo costs, which one gives the most ISKies?


The vindicator wins in situations where you can be sure the rats will be close to you (or you use a prop mod on it). As far as anaomlies go, Forsaken Hub, Forsaken Rally point, and the Haven with the pirate gate just dissolved very quickly to a blaster vindi (all the rats spawn in one place, put yourself in the center of that and watch the isk flow.

The Machariel was the better "overall" performer in Sanctums, Cloud.Factory Havens and Belts (in belts you can't really predict where the rats will be, you could land right on top of them, or anywhere up to 60-80 km off). I also liked the Mach much better in DED complexes because those rats could be spread out to.

Both are excellent in Serp/guristas space, I was doing 38-45 mil per 20 min tick with the Vindi in forsaken hubs and 35-39 mil with the mach in the same hubs. In Sanctums it was almost the reverse with the mach doing better.

Angel Space, both are great ships also, but I like the mach more because I can use tech2 ammo for those and the thermal portion of blaster damage isn't the best thing for angel rats.
OiOiDannyBoy
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-05-23 18:55:06 UTC
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The vindicator wins in situations where you can be sure the rats will be close to you (or you use a prop mod on it). As far as anaomlies go, Forsaken Hub, Forsaken Rally point, and the Haven with the pirate gate just dissolved very quickly to a blaster vindi (all the rats spawn in one place, put yourself in the center of that and watch the isk flow.

The Machariel was the better "overall" performer in Sanctums, Cloud.Factory Havens and Belts (in belts you can't really predict where the rats will be, you could land right on top of them, or anywhere up to 60-80 km off). I also liked the Mach much better in DED complexes because those rats could be spread out to.

Both are excellent in Serp/guristas space, I was doing 38-45 mil per 20 min tick with the Vindi in forsaken hubs and 35-39 mil with the mach in the same hubs. In Sanctums it was almost the reverse with the mach doing better.

Angel Space, both are great ships also, but I like the mach more because I can use tech2 ammo for those and the thermal portion of blaster damage isn't the best thing for angel rats.


So I guess the Vindicator wins this in Forsaken Hubs with a web or two to keep t2 optimal..

What's the Machariels ticks in Angel anoms then?
Arkanon Nerevar
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2013-05-23 21:46:17 UTC
mach against angels f.hubs is 44-46 ticks average, with max skills, srs expensive fit, Hail, T2 bouncers & dedication.
ofc this relies like all ratting on uninterepted back to back anom farming ofr the unbroken isk flow.

ultimately its really dependent on the enemy your facing, id never get this on anything besides angels & maybe drones, vindi concurrently needs serps/guri, though with equivilant fit/skills, youl get even higher ( a little) ticks with vindi vs serpentis.

Trust Not in God, but Have Faith in Antimatter
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-05-24 05:25:57 UTC
Machariel: fool proof, easy to use, has speed and range, so even if you make a mistake, it won't bite you that hard.

Vindicator: MASSIVE dps up close, but struggles to apply it if you let the targets drift away. With perfect execution, it'll be superior against anything kinetic and/or thermic weak that starts up close.

Overall I like Vindi more, because 90% webs and Void ammo mix really well and it's a fun boat to fly, but that's just me :)
OiOiDannyBoy
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-05-24 09:20:07 UTC
I decided to go with the Vindicator.

Serpentis Forsaken Hubs' rats orbit you at ~10km or try to fly away, which with a web or two makes the DPS fully applied.
2000 DPS to possibly apply to the rats is awesome.

Thanks for your help guys!