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EdFromHumanResources
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-05-23 14:20:49 UTC
Val Leonis wrote:
EdFromHumanResources wrote:
Adela Talvanen wrote:
EdFromHumanResources wrote:
Adela Talvanen wrote:
Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot?

If you fire the first shot you are the aggressor, and your opponent is simply defending her/his self.

If they fire the first shot at you, they are the aggressor, and you are simply defending yourself.

Me, I'll never fire the first shot.


Spoken like a true high sec dweller.


You make that sound like its a bad thing.


You're a blind man giving input on what colors compliment each other.

I hope your day gets better. =/

My days are nothing short of amazing.
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#22 - 2013-05-23 14:26:23 UTC
Adela Talvanen wrote:
But they fired the first shot they are the aggressor, and you would have the moral high ground to return in a better combat ship for revenge, provided you made a note of your opponents name.

Adela Talvanen wrote:
you would have the moral high ground

That's cute :3
Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-05-23 14:27:41 UTC
Six Six Six wrote:
Adela Talvanen wrote:


But they fired the first shot they are the aggressor, and you would have the moral high ground to return in a better combat ship for revenge, provided you made a note of your opponents name.



I'd stick to high-sec if I was you.


What a pompous and patronising statement.
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#24 - 2013-05-23 14:31:52 UTC
Adela Talvanen wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
Adela Talvanen wrote:


But they fired the first shot they are the aggressor, and you would have the moral high ground to return in a better combat ship for revenge, provided you made a note of your opponents name.



I'd stick to high-sec if I was you.


What a pompous and patronising statement.





Glad you liked it.

It was supposed to be helpful based on what I quoted from you. Meaning with that view I really do think you would be more suited to high-sec.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-05-23 14:34:44 UTC
There is little difference in being the aggressor or the defender in Eve. In the end, for any given encounter, someone will win, and someone will lose. If saying you're the defender helps you sleep better at night, then by all means, fly with your finger off the trigger.

But don't be fooled into thinking that the violencing of boats is the only form of agression in New Eden.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Alua Oresson
Aegis Ascending
Solyaris Chtonium
#26 - 2013-05-23 14:44:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Alua Oresson
Adela Talvanen wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
Adela Talvanen wrote:


But they fired the first shot they are the aggressor, and you would have the moral high ground to return in a better combat ship for revenge, provided you made a note of your opponents name.



I'd stick to high-sec if I was you.


What a pompous and patronising statement.



Edit: I'm not getting into a fight between forum alts. Disregard anything you saw here, it was meant for real people.

http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/
EdFromHumanResources
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-05-23 14:49:11 UTC
Adela Talvanen wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
Adela Talvanen wrote:


But they fired the first shot they are the aggressor, and you would have the moral high ground to return in a better combat ship for revenge, provided you made a note of your opponents name.



I'd stick to high-sec if I was you.


What a pompous and patronising statement.


And yet completely accurate.
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#28 - 2013-05-23 14:49:54 UTC
Dear Op

Aggressor is such a pejorative term.

As a supporter of free market trade and the manufacturing base via combat mediated facilitation of frequent product replacement among the consumer base, combined with an open sourced low base cost stock acquisition model I find it best to operate independently of the restrictive, anti-competitive and socially imposed moral framework you espouse.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-05-23 14:52:55 UTC
Depends. On a gate in low sec nope. In a war I always try to fire the only shots.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#30 - 2013-05-23 14:53:39 UTC
In lowsec I wait for them to aggress if near gates or stations to have that extra DPS on my side, unless they're -5 and then I will sometimes aggress first.

In nullsec I'm more than happy to aggress first.

In both cases, I try and use my head. Being rash and giving yourself a 60 second movement restriction timer when you're at a disadvantage is a fast and easy way to lose a ship that you could have otherwise flown around for longer having much more fun.
Din Chao
#31 - 2013-05-23 14:57:38 UTC
I've never seen a killmail that made the distinction between aggressor and defender, only "Victim" and those involved in making someone a "Victim."

Those are your only choices.
SB Rico
Sumo Wrestlers
#32 - 2013-05-23 14:57:59 UTC
A good PVPer knows when to agress,

There are at times advantages to aggressing first and others disadvantages, as mentioned about sentries.

Also on a station I like the other guy to shoot before he can see what I am capable of so he is nice and aggressed...

Scammers are currently selling killrights on this toon for up to 5mil, if you have paid for this service demand your money back at once.

Killing me should be for free.
Doddy
Excidium.
#33 - 2013-05-23 15:00:41 UTC
Choosing not to fire the first shot regardless of the situation is fairly suicidal. If another player is at war with you or is an outlaw they are clearly agressors already and letting them shoot first is dumb. Same goes if an enemy has bad standing, they clearly did something in the past to have the standing set.

There are many sound tactical reasons for not shooting first however, primarily concerning aggro. It depends on the situation.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#34 - 2013-05-23 15:02:50 UTC
So many factors contribute into who shoots first and when to shoot at all.

Suspect/Criminal flagged?
Below -5.0 sec status?
Is target a local with backup close?
Is target a PL zergling with a cyno?
Can you kill target before backup arrives?
Can you kill target before you die to gate guns? (if target isn't -5.0 sec status and in lowsec)
Can target kite you to death?
How is target tanked? (active or passive)
Is there a cloaked falcon 30 km away from me that will make me throw my monitor out the window after I die?
Does target have an OGB?
Do I have backup close enough to get here in time to help?

The list goes on and on.

About 60% of the 'PvP' in EVE is answering these questions before your 30 second loading cloak disappears and decide to engage or not to engage.

Not today spaghetti.
EdFromHumanResources
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-05-23 15:04:46 UTC
Sexy Cakes wrote:
So many factors contribute into who shoots first and when to shoot at all.

Suspect/Criminal flagged?
Below -5.0 sec status?
Is target a local with backup close?
Is target a PL zergling with a cyno?
Can you kill target before backup arrives?
Can you kill target before you die to gate guns? (if target isn't -5.0 sec status and in lowsec)
Can target kite you to death?
How is target tanked? (active or passive)
Is there a cloaked falcon 30 km away from me that will make me throw my monitor out the window after I die?
Does target have an OGB?
Do I have backup close enough to get here in time to help?

The list goes on and on.

About 60% of the 'PvP' in EVE is answering these questions before your 30 second loading cloak disappears and decide to engage or not to engage.

What if it's an out of alliance PL alt with a cyno?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#36 - 2013-05-23 15:09:48 UTC
Adela Talvanen wrote:
I'm morally right


I don't understand this phrase.

What does it mean?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#37 - 2013-05-23 15:12:41 UTC
EdFromHumanResources wrote:
Sexy Cakes wrote:
So many factors contribute into who shoots first and when to shoot at all.

Suspect/Criminal flagged?
Below -5.0 sec status?
Is target a local with backup close?
Is target a PL zergling with a cyno?
Can you kill target before backup arrives?
Can you kill target before you die to gate guns? (if target isn't -5.0 sec status and in lowsec)
Can target kite you to death?
How is target tanked? (active or passive)
Is there a cloaked falcon 30 km away from me that will make me throw my monitor out the window after I die?
Does target have an OGB?
Do I have backup close enough to get here in time to help?

The list goes on and on.

About 60% of the 'PvP' in EVE is answering these questions before your 30 second loading cloak disappears and decide to engage or not to engage.

What if it's an out of alliance PL alt with a cyno?


I can smell PL bullsh!t a mile away.

Not today spaghetti.
Emiko Luan
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-05-23 15:29:44 UTC
Adela Talvanen wrote:
dark heartt wrote:
Adela Talvanen wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
Adela Talvanen wrote:
Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot?

If you fire the first shot you are the aggressor, and your opponent is simply defending her/his self.

If they fire the first shot at you, they are the aggressor, and you are simply defending yourself.

Me, I'll never fire the first shot.




If you're at war then to wait until they fire at you is daft.


Not necessarily, if they use a gun your shields if the round hits can absorb the first round.


I think what you meant to say was this: "If they use a gun and the round hits, your shields can absorb the first round." Is that what you were trying to say? If yes, then what happens when you are in a shield tanked ship?


Yes, and if your shield suffered a high rate of damage on the opening salvo, if you were not warp scrambled you would be prudent to exit asap, those that turn and run away live to fight another day.

But they fired the first shot they are the aggressor, and you would have the moral high ground to return in a better combat ship for revenge, provided you made a note of your opponents name.


You can still warp if you're firing. And if someone appears in your territory they are already the aggressor.

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#39 - 2013-05-23 15:31:51 UTC
Adela Talvanen wrote:
Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot?

If you fire the first shot you are the aggressor, and your opponent is simply defending her/his self.

If they fire the first shot at you, they are the aggressor, and you are simply defending yourself.

Me, I'll never fire the first shot.


In the epic moral battle of good vs. evil, I always play on the good side. I don't care if you shoot first, last or not at all. You're the bad guy.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
EdFromHumanResources
State War Academy
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-05-23 15:39:57 UTC
Sexy Cakes wrote:
EdFromHumanResources wrote:
Sexy Cakes wrote:
So many factors contribute into who shoots first and when to shoot at all.

Suspect/Criminal flagged?
Below -5.0 sec status?
Is target a local with backup close?
Is target a PL zergling with a cyno?
Can you kill target before backup arrives?
Can you kill target before you die to gate guns? (if target isn't -5.0 sec status and in lowsec)
Can target kite you to death?
How is target tanked? (active or passive)
Is there a cloaked falcon 30 km away from me that will make me throw my monitor out the window after I die?
Does target have an OGB?
Do I have backup close enough to get here in time to help?

The list goes on and on.

About 60% of the 'PvP' in EVE is answering these questions before your 30 second loading cloak disappears and decide to engage or not to engage.

What if it's an out of alliance PL alt with a cyno?


I can smell PL bullsh!t a mile away.

That's what all the lowsec l33t pvper cyno alts say.