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True Solo PvP....Does it really happen?
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Ynot Drarig
Drarig Mining and Exploration Corporation
Metallicus Vehementi
#1 - 2013-05-23 12:39:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Ynot Drarig
You are flying solo in a T1 Cruiser, or Frigate, in Low Sec, you meet a potential adversary and invariably the following scenario's unfold. If you are on level terms they call in their "team mates" or run. Or if they are in a Tier 3 BS/BC they will stick around to be the hero with a relatively easy kill. Or they call in their mate so they can have an even easier kill? Unless they ran, you end up on the kill board! Unless of course you are able to gtfo!

There seems to be no real option other than to roam in teams? So true Solo PvP on reasonably level terms only seems to happen in a duel or tournament? Or am I missing something as a relative noob?
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-05-23 12:43:31 UTC
More than one person's said it in more than one venue: if two people are engaged in a fair fight, one of them's screwed up big time.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
darmwand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-05-23 12:45:14 UTC
Ynot Drarig wrote:
You are flying solo in a T1 Cruiser, or Frigate, in Low Sec, you meet a potential adversary and invariably the following scenario's unfold. If you are on level terms they call in their "team mates" or run. Or if they are in a Tier 3 BS/BC they will stick around to be the hero with a relatively easy kill. Or they call in their mate so they can have an even easier kill? Unless they ran, you end up on the kill board! Unless of course you are able to gtfo!

There seems to be no real option other than to roam in teams? So true Solo PvP on reasonably level terms only seems to happen in a duel or tournament? Or am I missing something as a relative noob?


I've had similar experiences with cruisers, it seems the bigger the ship the more you attract blobs. That said, solo fights in cruisers *do* happen but if you want fewer blobs I would recommend flying frigates instead. There are lots of solo players in frigates and blobs are rare.

"The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp."
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#4 - 2013-05-23 12:50:07 UTC
You're missing something...

The first thing is...if you want to fly truly solo then you want a challenge. It's not uncommon for solo guys to fight against less skilled fleets and win. If you want easier pvp join a gang.

Bookmark a killboard with the in-game browser. When you have a potential adversary run his name on the killboard to see if he be a blobzer or a usual suspect for bait/cyno dropper. You can get used to flying fast kite ships so if you do spring a trap you can get out, too....or start to separate their kitchen sink poop fleet and pick off the weak ones.
darmwand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-05-23 12:59:56 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
You can get used to flying fast kite ships so if you do spring a trap you can get out, too....or start to separate their kitchen sink poop fleet and pick off the weak ones.


QFT. One of the keys to successful solo cruiser PvP is the ability to quickly assess the situation and GTFO when the blob lands. Fast kiting ships definitely help there and so does piloting experience.

"The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp."
Raiz Nhell
PeregrineXII
#6 - 2013-05-23 13:28:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Raiz Nhell
Marc Callan wrote:
More than one person's said it in more than one venue: if two people are engaged in a fair fight, one of them's screwed up big time.


Yep... If you find yourself in a fair fight you've failed to stack the deck in your favour... Why would you engage when you have, by definition, a 50% chance of losing?

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
darmwand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-05-23 13:45:12 UTC
Raiz Nhell wrote:

Yep... If you find yourself in a fair fight you've failed to stack the deck in your favour... Why would you engage when you have, by definition, a 50% chance of losing?


Because it's a game and to some people having fun is more important than winning?

"The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp."
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-05-23 13:49:32 UTC
when you "solo" pvp, you spend more time picking targets and running away then actually pvping.

Though I can still see the merit and entertainment value from that.

Art of Explosions
darmwand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-05-23 14:24:01 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
when you "solo" pvp, you spend more time picking targets and running away then actually pvping.


Don't say it like that! It's "chasing prey" and "narrowly escaping" Blink

"The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp."
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#10 - 2013-05-23 14:35:54 UTC
Solo pvp =/= 1v1's

Its very often about getting in and killing something before the blob arives, or splitting up the blobs and so forth.

but the 1v1's also actually happen a lot if you know how to look for them.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Ynot Drarig
Drarig Mining and Exploration Corporation
Metallicus Vehementi
#11 - 2013-05-23 17:01:05 UTC
LolAll good advice guys........I think I will try the frigates first, maybe lose a few, then try a fast kiting ship! And hey what's the fun in always having a stacked deck in your favour? Sometimes winning when the odds are against you is 10 times sweeter! Lol
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#12 - 2013-05-23 17:11:11 UTC
darmwand wrote:
Raiz Nhell wrote:

Yep... If you find yourself in a fair fight you've failed to stack the deck in your favour... Why would you engage when you have, by definition, a 50% chance of losing?


Because it's a game and to some people having fun is more important than winning?


So much this.

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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#13 - 2013-05-23 18:29:04 UTC

Why would you play if you only attack things you have a 90-100% chance of killing?


Solo PvP can be found by being careful about the targets you engage. Watch them, assess them, as you can often discern if they have backup or not by how they hunt.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#14 - 2013-05-23 21:54:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Roime
I find 1vs1s or 1vsFews more often than I get blobbed.

Stay on the move, know your limits and push them. You'll learn to avoid the most obvious baits and blobby camp systems. Accept the occasional unavoidable blob loss as cost of having crazy good time. If the loss is your fault then slap yourself (I often take fights I'm unlikely to win because #YOLO!111!), if the loss would have happened no matter what you did, then shrug it off and get a new ship.

Often in these cases the blobbers don't really feel too good about the one-sided fight either, take it like a sport, most EVE pilots are cool and take no pride in unfair fights... but a kill is a kill, and you would have done the same to them, that's just the way the jungle hums.

Fly safeties off o7

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#15 - 2013-05-23 22:01:10 UTC
Ynot Drarig wrote:
If you are on level terms they call in their "team mates" or run.


Oh this is a misconception. They are in a fleet, probably hunting for targets. One of them finds you, the fleet is already on the way and the pilot fighting you is probably shouting on the comms "Point on a Draek in OMS, gogogogogo I'm going down! :D". Why they do this? Because flying with mates and sharing the fun is also awesome.

Run away? Of course everyone tries to run away if they are losing! Your job is to prevent that :)

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Cameron Zero
Sebiestor Tribe
#16 - 2013-05-23 22:17:13 UTC
Roime wrote:
(I often take fights I'm unlikely to win because #YOLO!111!)


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Pitrolo Orti
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-05-24 02:38:44 UTC
No

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#18 - 2013-05-24 08:13:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabriz Adoudel
Keep to lowsec systems with 2 or fewer player ship losses in the last hour, and you will find 1v1s and 1v2s.

If you are near Dodixie, Decon is a good choice during offpeak times, and the adjacent (quieter) system Sharuveil in busier times. Fly ships that have methods to escape a 1 v small gang engagement if at all possible - ECM drones will often get you out of a dicey situation as most small gangs aren't coordinated enough to keep two points on you.

Other lowsec systems worth a try are Hagilur (offpeak only, usually gatecamped in peak), Ravarin, Basgerin (a pirate corp calls this home, they are good PVPers but don't seem to often have more than one person online in system) and Rorsins/Thelan (not safe to get to during peak due to Hagilur gatecamps).


Edit: Go for a ship that can kill in a reasonable timeframe but is fast and cheap. Assault frigate or cruiser, IMO. Regular frigates will often take so long to kill someone that they can get in help from 3 jumps away.

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Namdor
#19 - 2013-05-24 14:53:47 UTC
I get 1v1s in FW all day every day, with the caveat that I am fairly indiscriminate about what I engage.
Apoctasy
GentIeman Bastards
Something Really Pretentious
#20 - 2013-05-25 00:07:56 UTC
It definitely exists. You just have to find it, and pick your fights.

Source: I do it
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