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500m isk/day ratting carrier

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Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-05-23 04:31:26 UTC
I was talking to some people who said high end players can earn 500m isk/day ratting. Do you guys know how a carrier capable of that would be setup?
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2013-05-23 05:41:47 UTC
3/10
Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-05-23 05:47:19 UTC
whats that mean?
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-05-23 05:47:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
500mil? not hard, you can make that a day missioning if you really want to.
or you can run incursions for 4 hours.
or like, 10min of site running in C5-6 WHs.

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Destarsee Flamesword
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-05-23 05:59:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Destarsee Flamesword
it all depends on where you fly. if you have secure access to sov null. you can do belt rating and site running solo in a DPS fit carrier. or you could hunt sleepers in C3 or above WHs although you cant solo C5s without a risk of dying. and im scarred of doing C6s. once i escaped with only 20% hull left

the large thing here is that you can do most of this solo or in small gang with a 1.5 bill fit battlship
Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
#6 - 2013-05-23 07:42:37 UTC
Usually with sentry drones. And its not "ratting" as that term is used for shooting stuff in asteroid belts, carriers are used in anomalies, these are the Hubs and Havens and Sanctums you can find using ship built in scanner thingy.

As far as 500 m / d goes its doable depending on your playtime. Farming anoms for about 5 hours should do the trick. It's just that its even more mind numbingly boring than missions as there is no variation at all. You just do the same thing over and over and over again which is the most suitable in your region for your setup.

isk/ h wise there is no difference really if you are farming them in a pirate battleship / marauder or carrier. If you are still thinking about training carrier go gallente, they are usually considered best carrier for pve.

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Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2013-05-23 08:05:48 UTC
500 a day is kind of a low goal if you want to get right to it. For two worth while T2 BS/BC pilots 100/hr isn't very hard to do in f-hubs.

500 in 23 hr is only a smidge over 21m/hr. And for 8hr it only jumps to 62.5m/hr. Those can be easily reached with "mining alt(s)" or running low/nul sub cap anoms.

If you are somewhere that using a carrier is worth while ask your alliance for the cap systems and fits. Otherwise the odds are on you being an alod candidate.
Ziester
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-05-23 11:25:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Ziester
It is possible :

Quote:
[Thanatos, Thanatos fit]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Capital Armor Repairer I

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Cap Recharger II

Drone Control Unit I
Drone Control Unit I
Drone Control Unit I
Drone Control Unit I
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Drone Control Range Augmentor II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Bouncer II x14


I've seen similar fits going around in Havens in Nullsec and cleaning them in about 12 minutes.
Earning something around 30-35m per tick. That's around 100m/hour.
So if you play quite a lot, 500m/day is definately doable.

For specifics, with "All L5", 1339 DPS, permarunning Cap Repper, even though it's actually not useful. You activate the repper like once every 5 minutes if the rats even get to scratch your armor.
Both Drone control range and Sentry optimal is 104km.

Warp to 70km of any given Hub/Haven, launch drones (set on aggressive), go grab a coffee or something.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-05-23 11:36:12 UTC
Ziester wrote:
Warp to 70km of any given Hub/Haven, launch drones (set on aggressive), go grab a coffee or something.

...get hotdropped and DDed Roll

I should buy an Ishtar.

DeadDuck
Aurora.
The Initiative.
#10 - 2013-05-23 12:58:26 UTC
Ziester wrote:
Warp to 70km of any given Hub/Haven, launch drones (set on aggressive), go grab a coffee or something.



Now I understand why Carriers keep dying while doing anomalies ShockedLol
Snyderm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-05-23 13:20:38 UTC
Just as a point of comparison:

Serpentis Forsaken Hub

T2 Fit Naga

Average 30 million per bounty tick
3 ticks per hour

500 / 90 = ~5.6 hours playtime to get 500 mil.

T2 Fit Dominix

Average 28 Million per bounty tick
3 ticks per hour

500 / 84 ~ 6 hours to get 500 mill

Performance is a bit less than this in other regions due to Rat Resists. The point being, dont risk getting your corp/alliance pissed at you because you are an idiot ratting with a carrier and you have to call everyone to action because you got tackled.

In my opinion better options exist with T2 fit battleships (or even naga in the case of serpentis)

I think this is gonna be even more obvious after the next expansion when cruise missles are going to get the ridiculous %30 buff.
Ziester
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-05-23 14:21:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Ziester
Daniel Plain wrote:
Ziester wrote:
Warp to 70km of any given Hub/Haven, launch drones (set on aggressive), go grab a coffee or something.

...get hotdropped and DDed Roll

The "go grab a coffee" part was a joke, in case that wasn't obvious...

So for those with no sarcasm/irony :
Of course, watch an eye on Local / intel channels and get the **** out if anything comes as near as next door from where you rat.

And if you don't do that, you're a clueless idiot.

And btw you should never get in anoms in a carrier in lowsec.
Nullsec is ok a slong as you have intel channels to check for non-blue activity.

Seriously if you're getting tackled in Nullsec while carrier-ratting, you shouldn't fly a carrier.
Ziester
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-05-23 14:32:20 UTC
Snyderm wrote:
In my opinion better options exist with T2 fit battleships (or even naga in the case of serpentis)

I think this is gonna be even more obvious after the next expansion when cruise missles are going to get the ridiculous %30 buff.

I'm actually preparing a Cruise Golem for Angel hub/havens

On test server with T1M4 launchers and DG i pulled around ~20m/tick in a Haven
Once it gets Fury's i should get around 25-30m as well
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-05-23 14:41:37 UTC
shield sentry artillery navy domi would probably clear the fastest tbh
Tzar Sinak
Mythic Heights
#15 - 2013-05-23 17:40:02 UTC
Just out of curiosity, I was under the impression that the best way to rat with a carrier was to assign fighters to a tank that goes to the sites. The carrier then sits in a safe/POS/Station for quick safe up.

Have things changed? Seems crazy to PVE solo in a carrier. Well, unless you have the iskies.

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Acorn's Wonder Bars
#16 - 2013-05-23 19:31:26 UTC
Snyderm wrote:
Just as a point of comparison:

Serpentis Forsaken Hub

T2 Fit Naga

Average 30 million per bounty tick
3 ticks per hour

500 / 90 = ~5.6 hours playtime to get 500 mil.

T2 Fit Dominix

Average 28 Million per bounty tick
3 ticks per hour

500 / 84 ~ 6 hours to get 500 mill

Performance is a bit less than this in other regions due to Rat Resists. The point being, dont risk getting your corp/alliance pissed at you because you are an idiot ratting with a carrier and you have to call everyone to action because you got tackled.

In my opinion better options exist with T2 fit battleships (or even naga in the case of serpentis)

I think this is gonna be even more obvious after the next expansion when cruise missles are going to get the ridiculous %30 buff.


Just curious, have not been out in null in awhile, but last time I was out there the ABC were ok (maybe this is asperpentis only thing), but their weak tank was a pain on anomolies, alos don't you have problems on any one that has cruisers and smaller, unless you are leaving those behind, but then sites do not restart? It would seem that 30+ mil is the absolute optimal and any variance could cost you time.

The carrier has more DPS and can apply near full amount to its max range, it also can flip to smaller drones to clear the trash.

Also have never undertood the obssession over a carrier kill, a faction fit pirate BS is much pricer and no insurance, the BS is more agile obviously.
Meatypopsicle
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-05-23 19:37:10 UTC
Dual boxing Naga's can make 160-200mill ISK/hour total. That's going to go down after the patch though.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2013-05-23 19:46:00 UTC
Ciyrine wrote:
I was talking to some people who said high end players can earn 500m isk/day ratting. Do you guys know how a carrier capable of that would be setup?


any T2 sentry carrier with 3 drone damage mods in the low, 2x omni's in the mids and 2 x drone links in the high. Put 2 sebo's in the mids to make targeting quicker. I used to use a chimera for this. 13 sentries will apply damage far better than fighters or even a bs flirting about. Its faster that using a mach in angel space as the mach needs to move around, its not affected by TD in amarr space.
Ginger Barbarella
#19 - 2013-05-23 20:26:04 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
Ziester wrote:
Warp to 70km of any given Hub/Haven, launch drones (set on aggressive), go grab a coffee or something.

...get hotdropped and DDed Roll


I always thought it was funny how low sec'ers/nullies whined about Easy Button missioning/mining in high sec, when you can take carriers into anoms in blue space and shoot away with little risk...

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Ziester
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-05-23 20:57:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Ziester
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
Ziester wrote:
Warp to 70km of any given Hub/Haven, launch drones (set on aggressive), go grab a coffee or something.

...get hotdropped and DDed Roll


I always thought it was funny how low sec'ers/nullies whined about Easy Button missioning/mining in high sec, when you can take carriers into anoms in blue space and shoot away with little risk...

For anyone who lived in Nullsec long enough, it's a known fact that Nullsec is actually a LOT safer than empire, be it high/low sec.
And it's gonna be even worse in Odyssey with the whole "Trade tags for sec status".

Empire's actually gonna become the most dangerous place in New Eden (But it's kind of intended anyway, as an incentive to drive people away from Empire into Low/Null sec)
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