Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Someone should probably tell goonswarm and test to stop putting day one newbies in tackle frigs, since they're obviously neither effective, nor able to enjoy themselves. regardless of any evidence to the contrary.

Nope. Bad Idea.
You cant just remove whatever skills new players need to train first. IF youre gonna go down that route, juts give everyone all skills at 5 and have done with it, cos thats where that path leads.

Because we should all be able to roll 2 week old characters who can perfectly fit frigates and push out 200dps...

Seriously, as others have said... it sounds like you're doing it wrong.

Remove the all level 5 prereqs, use t1 & meta 3/4 gear... have fun.

then YOU are doing it wrong.


like other said, a 2weeks old toon is already able to be usefull, provided they are teached well.

an atron or slasher used as tackler is very effective, and yes, it doesn't bring big dps, but it is fast, and if you teach him how to use it, he will survive, be on the KM, and probably on a kill that represent twice the content of his wallet (at least).


seems more that YOU have an issue interesting your newbies to eve, and YOU blame CCP for it


i've taken 2 and 3 weeks old players in lowsec scanned combat sites and even a 5/10 DED, we were all in frig sized, they all survived, made a good amount of money (for them, it was a big amount), and in the process, learned how to survive using speedtank.

and all they had was 2 to 3 M isk frigates
and they freakin enjoyed it!

exactly
in a nutshell: OP, you are bad at managing your newb

The EVE mantra "don't fly what you can't afford to lose" has a sister statement: "learn to fly what you can afford to lose."

Check Tippia's newbie skill training guide. Then consider what your rookies can do best with that skills and equipment they have access to. The consider that trying to shoot and tackle and have a prop mod fitted means you're trying to do everything at once. Either shoot or tackle, then your fitting problems go away. Fly in a fleet and have each pilot fly to their speciality. Don't insist on everyone having dual prop and tackle, and you'll find your fitting problems go away.

That's really not helping

I wonder if there are organisations similar to EVE University and Agony Unleashed who provide training to prospective CEOs on how to train new players? Is this course material something that can be independently studied? Failing all else, it might be good for the CEO (or some other leader) of a corporation that wants to train rookies to join an existing corporation that does already train rookies to see how they do it.

Does Goonswarm publish their training guide publicly? They claim to be very effective in getting new players active in-game from the moment they start playing: are their method only applicable to external-community alliances?

One thing I learned through playing RTS games like Total Annihilation and Dark Reign was that you can't hold on until you have the ultimate units: you have to figure out how to work best with the units you have, and spend your time in the most efficient manner to get the next better units. In StarCraft one effective tactic used to be the zergling rush: they were very weak units individually, but you could spawn so damn many of them that you could overwhelm an opponents defences (avoid the bunkers full of fire bats, go straight for the SCVs).

I'll remind folks that a rookie flying a cruicifier is still a valuable utility: tracking disruption and a few drones means your fleet has a teensy bit more firepower, and the bad guys have less firepower because they have a harder time hitting you. A rookie flying a griffin or blackbird can help in a similar way. Then there are the logistics ships: bantam, probe, osprey, scythe, etc.

Leadership is a hard skill to gain by trial and error, and difficult to gain by book learning. I would understand that someone is a poor leader if they had been playing since 2003 and still hadn't figured out how to lead, how to train, and how to make best use of the resources they have available.

Practical example: people play tower defence games because they suck at RTS. So many people tried playing StarCraft defensively that maps were made which gave the advantage to the base builder. Thus Tower Defence games were born.

(edit: correction, Wikipedia claims that the genre began much earlier in time)

This.

OP = Yet another terrible schooling newbies out of the game with their bullsh!t and thinking their doing them a favor.

Agony's Courses are open to the public... Alumni are allowed to re-attend as often as they want (for free)... and our wiki is public.
The Goonswarm's Newbie Guide is publicly available, as well as much of their wiki: Goon Guides & Goonwiki
And EvE Uni also has an outstanding public wiki.

And simply googling topics of interest will quite often bring you directly to pages on these wikis, as well as give links to other excellent guides.

Finally, the New Citizens Q&A Forum Section is the ideal pleace to find assistance for younger players. Not only can you search the thread for answers (any question you've asked has probably been asked before, so do a search), you can post any new/additional questions you have and generally get helpful responses. Additionally, it has a stickied resources thread with lots of good guides/resources for new players.