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How should CCP remove the new launcher?
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Lelob
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2013-05-23 02:54:34 UTC
By axe, sword or dynamite?

In any case, for the love of god, get rid of this god awful piece of ****!
Mole Guy
Bob's Bait and Tackle
#2 - 2013-05-23 03:07:44 UTC
new launcher?
what am i missing?
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative
#3 - 2013-05-23 03:20:11 UTC
They should keep it.

Bots have been screwed since they put it up there.

If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that?
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#4 - 2013-05-23 03:36:09 UTC
I, for one, welcome our new bot-confounding launcher.
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#5 - 2013-05-23 04:12:06 UTC
Ruze wrote:
They should keep it.

Bots have been screwed since they put it up there.

Thats hardly so as you can launch client directly without launcher.

Opinions are like assholes. Everybody got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative
#6 - 2013-05-23 04:43:17 UTC
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:
Ruze wrote:
They should keep it.

Bots have been screwed since they put it up there.

Thats hardly so as you can launch client directly without launcher.


Maybe so, but apparently a lot of illicit programs, and some that simply allowed too much to go on, are severely hampered by the new launcher. It's enough that some of the hack program guys are talking about flooding the forums with complaints and filing petitions against the new systems from 'legitimate' accounts in order to make it seem like more people disapprove and hope that CCP will repeal it.

Give it a month, they'll adapt. Till then? Ahh, blessed be.

If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that?
Mole Guy
Bob's Bait and Tackle
#7 - 2013-05-23 05:11:09 UTC
hahahaha..i thought u meant launcher as in new t2 ham launchers.

i havent played with it enough to figure out if its better of not.
i dont have a problem with the t2 eve launcher yet tho, so if its messing up bots.. great.
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#8 - 2013-05-23 05:31:07 UTC
Mole Guy wrote:
i dont have a problem with the t2 eve launcher yet tho, so if its messing up bots.. great.

the only problem i have with launcher is its "feature" to ask for name of a character on account sometimes when you login, it is a hassle and a waste of time imo.

Opinions are like assholes. Everybody got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.
Sicks
Doom Generation
Best Intentions.
#9 - 2013-05-23 05:39:32 UTC
They need to add an option in the settings to clear account details when logging in. It's too easy to accidentally hit the play button for the account you're logged into when trying to hit the "switch account" link, located RIGHT underneath it with its tiny self.

I reccomend they kill it with blasters.
Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-05-23 06:12:06 UTC
It only need some iteration to make it more agile. But for now it is already good. I approve! Maybe it can reach the awesome status....

Please read these!

New POS system New SOV system
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-05-23 06:33:49 UTC
Can't switch char without exiting the game completely, typing pw into desktop instead of program instance introduce security issues, username gets reset, cursor doesn't appear at pw field until you double click on it... etc.

Lots of problems and not a single benefit. Just the usual CCP breaking what's working.

Get rid of it.
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#12 - 2013-05-23 06:38:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
sabre906 wrote:
Can't switch char without exiting the game completely, typing pw into desktop instead of program instance introduce security issues, username gets reset, cursor doesn't appear at pw field until you double click on it... etc.

Lots of problems and not a single benefit. Just the usual CCP breaking what's working.

Get rid of it.

Add to that EULA/ToS agreement that you have to scroll through now and then, character name validations, and inability to start the game with "PLAY" button after a while (if you keep launcher on and logged in while you play). Restarting launcher is only solution.

Opinions are like assholes. Everybody got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-05-23 06:40:24 UTC
Lelob wrote:
By axe, sword or dynamite?

In any case, for the love of god, get rid of this god awful piece of ****!

Giant Orbital Deathray aimed directly at the main volcanic fault of Iceland, then throw everyone responsible for thinking its a good idea into the fire! EvilTwistedEvilTwisted

But in all seriousness, i dont like the launcher, adn i will be VERY bitter about the removal of login screens, mroe bitter than when we lost the jukebox and ship spinning
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-05-23 06:44:51 UTC
Ruze wrote:
They should keep it.

Bots have been screwed since they put it up there.


Bots would be screwed if the servers shut down

Naturally, that means the servers should shut down c/d

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seth Hendar
I love you miners
#15 - 2013-05-23 08:41:23 UTC
Ruze wrote:
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:
Ruze wrote:
They should keep it.

Bots have been screwed since they put it up there.

Thats hardly so as you can launch client directly without launcher.


Maybe so, but apparently a lot of illicit programs, and some that simply allowed too much to go on, are severely hampered by the new launcher. It's enough that some of the hack program guys are talking about flooding the forums with complaints and filing petitions against the new systems from 'legitimate' accounts in order to make it seem like more people disapprove and hope that CCP will repeal it.

Give it a month, they'll adapt. Till then? Ahh, blessed be.

sorry, but the new launcher will not be an issue for any bot, and in the meantime, it is crippling gameplay for all the player who have more than one account, AND those who need to switch char often.

the launchers are, whatever the game they are used with, BAD programming, a BAD solution wich, in EVERY case, bring more issues than anything

so what we want CCP to do, is get rid of this piece of crap, and let us switch toons without having to log again (is it so difficult to have a button in esc menu that bring you back to char selection screen? really?)

and if you want to get rid of bots that log in auto, put a captha, i wouldn't mind provided we can switch toons without loggin again... you would have to login each account once a day, not a big deal
Nott Patro
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-05-23 12:15:43 UTC
seth Hendar wrote:

sorry, but the new launcher will not be an issue for any bot, and in the meantime, it is crippling gameplay for all the player who have more than one account, AND those who need to switch char often.

the launchers are, whatever the game they are used with, BAD programming, a BAD solution wich, in EVERY case, bring more issues than anything

so what we want CCP to do, is get rid of this piece of crap, and let us switch toons without having to log again (is it so difficult to have a button in esc menu that bring you back to char selection screen? really?)

and if you want to get rid of bots that log in auto, put a captha, i wouldn't mind provided we can switch toons without loggin again... you would have to login each account once a day, not a big deal


I agree. Also, bots will adapt under this new launcher. You can take away my ability to use a launcher. You can add a captcha for me to complete once a day. But you do not take away the startup music.

If they don't change this, it'll be like Incarna all over again.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2013-05-23 12:20:00 UTC
Ruze wrote:
They should keep it.

Bots have been screwed since they put it up there.



Bots will be patched by now.

Explain, in your own words, why making the bot owners patch their stuff is worth severely irritating literally every player with more than one account, or worse, more than one character in use per account?
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-05-23 17:44:40 UTC
Nott Patro wrote:
seth Hendar wrote:

sorry, but the new launcher will not be an issue for any bot, and in the meantime, it is crippling gameplay for all the player who have more than one account, AND those who need to switch char often.

the launchers are, whatever the game they are used with, BAD programming, a BAD solution wich, in EVERY case, bring more issues than anything

so what we want CCP to do, is get rid of this piece of crap, and let us switch toons without having to log again (is it so difficult to have a button in esc menu that bring you back to char selection screen? really?)

and if you want to get rid of bots that log in auto, put a captha, i wouldn't mind provided we can switch toons without loggin again... you would have to login each account once a day, not a big deal


I agree. Also, bots will adapt under this new launcher. You can take away my ability to use a launcher. You can add a captcha for me to complete once a day. But you do not take away the startup music.

If they don't change this, it'll be like Incarna all over again.

yeah, i agree with verything BUT the captcha, you realize often enough, bots are better at those than people? because a proper program doesnt have to actually look at the letters, just what the answer should be (if the captcha is designed shittily) but its still easy enough to bot most captchas, adn would only become annoying for real players
Sorana Bonzari
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-05-23 17:50:01 UTC
Launcher just needs a few tweaks:


After typing in log in info map the enter key so it will log in without using mouse.




Make it easy for log in into multiple accounts?

Ideas:
A new launcher opens when you enter game.

The launcher itself has the ability to open 2 eve clients at once <----- personal fav

Launcher saves multiple usernames and passwords locally.

make it more user friendly for quick log in for multiboxers you know most of your user base multiboxes so throw us a bone.
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#20 - 2013-05-23 18:27:53 UTC
Sorana Bonzari wrote:

Ideas:
After typing in log in info map the enter key so it will log in without using mouse.

A new launcher opens when you enter game.

The launcher itself has the ability to open 2 eve clients at once <----- personal fav

Launcher saves multiple usernames and passwords locally.

1. Agreed.
2. You have an option to not close launcher when you enter game.
3. Not really solution for those who have more than 2 accounts.
4. Account security vulnerability.

2 and 3(if implemented) are rather useless atm because of reason i mentioned in my previous post (SSO token works only for a limited amount of time and doesn't allow quick game relaunch after disconnect.)

Opinions are like assholes. Everybody got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.
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