EVE General Discussion

If you tried to put across EVE as a social experiment, you could get as far as "Virtual world" before any psychologist without an agenda to get video games banned would laugh in your face.

It has nothing to do with morality , if we play a game of risk then we can't attack each other?If we play a game of chess i can't take your king?

Theft, killing , griefing IS part of this game.IF you have a problem with that or don't like it then you are playing the wrong game wich btw is not meant sarcastic/trolltastic it is what it is.

Whatever is not bannable IS a part of this game and as such people will do it.

This is eve like it or leave it ...

A game means that there's a goal.

In EVE, you set your own goals, your own game, what you want to be, what you want to gain.

A sandbox is essentially an argument as to what the game should be (i.e., morality).

It's not about someone saying "This is the game — deal with it".

Fine if that's your game, but don't be so blind as to think that it's anything other than your game (and that of the masses who agree with you).

Did EVE make you or are you gonna make EVE?

(I do understand the need, however, to not load so much possibility into EVE. You just want to play, blow off steam, or whatever; that has to be your game for what you want. But it does make for a kind of blindness in believing that others have to be like you.)

I see the griefers have not made their breakthrough yet.

Still hiding behind "it's a game".

Is relishing in someone elses misfortune as virtual as your space ship?

I know the fear of being on the wrong end of that has saved my ship enough times, as I have described, so it must be very real and powerful.

Just admit it. I am not asking you to change, I am asking you to admit who and what you are.

Some people admit mistakes, few admit failings, and none admit stupid.
Eve can be as large or small as CCP wishes.

You miss the point completely. What annoys a large portion of the playerbase is that a minority of players are not after good clean fun PvP, but cheese and scam their way with for only goal, sweet sweet Schadenfreude. Non-territory interdiction gatecamps, Lofty tricks, suicide ganking, all that. This minority does not play a videogame, they just use EvE as a means to get cheap kicks out of a complete stranger. They do not seek to best someone in a balanced pitting of skills, they just want people to rage. If they could delete your emails, order coffins to your home or whatever without any risk at all, they would do it.

But they don't, because they're IRL cowards and closet spineless sociopaths whose pathetic solace after a day of unskilled work and being shouted at by their superiors (whom they hate, but are too pansy do to anything about it), is to log in a videogame and find new ways to not play the game (i.e. roleplay capsuleers), but grief complete strangers who do want to roleplay capsuleers and care about internet spaceships.

Now, if those people want gamers to relinquish their love for virtual things, I'm sure there are better ways to do it. And if they're just after Schadenfreude, they should be forthcoming about it instead of hiding behind bankrupt arguments.
And yes, the state of gankbearing in EvE is a clear proof that a minority of people, in any context, can be a huge annoyance for the majority. This minority needs to be forcibly removed, be they serial rapists, killers, pedocriminals... In the flesh world, they are, albeit not all (corrupt bankers/traders/politicians, yellow journalists, are terrible nuisances). Why can't we have ingame tools to remove them from New Eden ?


Note again that New Eden security is hamfisted in highsec and uninteresting in lowsec (gateguns force blobby gatecamps) only because of those gankbears. There is more than half the population of highsec that would love to have Concord removed or toned way down, if only gankbears could be forced out of the game in order to let real, meaningful and roleplayey PvP prosper.

Which is why sandboxy MMOs direly need light psychological profiling for their user accounts.

MMOs are the only popular genre of games that encourages holding hands and making nice over blowing your opponents into bloody little bits or crushing everything he has built as you rampage to victory. Computer games are normally about competiion between players. Eve was created to be a MMO that facilitate player competition on many different levels. It's an exception in the MMO market where your allowed to crush your opponent. Most MMOs encourage you to hold hands and beat up on mildly challenging AI.

Deal with it. This game was created for those want competition. If you want to hold hands and fight AI enemies with your friends, you have 14,000 WOW-clones.

Nobody has abandoned their morality. Is it immoral to win a hand of poker on a bluff? Of course not, its part of the game. The same with the dastardly acts of Eve. This game was created to allow those actions. Nobody is evil for doing them. You're a bit silly for applying your morals to make believe.

Well then my morals>your morals, I think genocide is one of the most horrendous crimes a sentient species could commit. No individual has the right to decide whether another living being should live or die, a collective group definitely doesn't have the right to decide if another group lives or dies.

(self defence not withstanding of course)

Spineless sociopaths? Are you kidding me? If anything, this game is an accurate depiction of what real life would be like without societal constraints and anxieties.

If you have any illusions that humans are innately good people then you should take a trip outside of your cozy suburb into the rest of the world.