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Admiral Yanala's clone failed to activate
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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#21 - 2013-05-21 22:47:26 UTC
Mr. Biko, citing Admiral Noir as a paragon of virtue may not be the ideal when addressing a Caldari Navy officer, considering.

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Brandi Wiseman
Den Sorte Loge
#22 - 2013-05-21 22:50:59 UTC
I'm sorry, what? It has taken the State this long to reveal that Admiral Yanala's clone failed to activate? Why was this not known in the immediate aftermath of the battle?

Did it take someone this long to fabricate such a weak story? Frankly it stinks and I'm afraid I don't believe a word of it.

Some serious questions need to be asked in my opinion.

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Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#23 - 2013-05-22 00:12:46 UTC
To be fair cloning accidents, while rare events, do occur. The technology isn't 100% dependable. Nothing created by human beings is.

Still, I also wonder why it's taken so long for the authorities to release this information.

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Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2013-05-22 03:14:46 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Not that this will do anything to stop the delusions of capsuleer immortality...


Unfortunately you are right. They'll keep talking about how inmortal we are, how powerful and mighty, and forget the lesson to be learnt here: that even a Titan pilot with years of experience, a pod pilot, a high ranking officer of the Caldari Navy... even her can die permanently.

Rest in peace, Admiral Yanala, you have earned it with your life of service to your people and your honorable final sacrifice for their wellbeing.

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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#25 - 2013-05-23 01:19:49 UTC
Hardly the first capsuleer admiral to take own life after losing tremendously important ship in rather humiliating circumstances... blasting a crater in the original homeworld of the Caldari isn't something I'd want on my record.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-05-23 03:40:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Look at it this way.

- Yanala was given the order to fire the doomsday on Caldari Prime, which she did not do.

- Whoever gave Yanala this order will look like a deranged mandman and a traitor to the State.

- If Yanala survives, she can let the galaxy know who's orders she defied, which would probably put said person in deep trouble. The solution, convientently have Yanala fail to clone.

Of course, it could all be coincidence. But thousands of capsuleers perish and are reborn again on a daily basis, for some individuals, multiple times a day. Hell, sometimes capsuleers will kill themselves in their pod to be cloned again at another station, a sort of one way, instant transportation if you will.

Someone failing to clone isn't unheard of, but in this day and age, It's EXTREMELY rare. So rare that it's an issue that some capsuleers, probably even the majority of us, aren't even aware this can happen to them. The only realistic possibility of cloning failure is sabotage or some other form of damage to any key components involved in the cloning procedure.

So, a legendary admiral who might have quite a lot to say randomly fails to clone after dying in a major battle, a battle where she opposed the orders of someone with great power. It's a bit too good of a coincidence if you ask me.

With all this in mind, does anyone really think that random cloning failure is the culprit here?

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Grideris
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-05-23 08:05:40 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Look at it this way.

- Yanala was given the order to fire the doomsday on Caldari Prime, which she did not do.

- Whoever gave Yanala this order will look like a deranged mandman and a traitor to the State.

- If Yanala survives, she can let the galaxy know who's orders she defied, which would probably put said person in deep trouble. The solution, convientently have Yanala fail to clone.

Of course, it could all be coincidence. But thousands of capsuleers perish and are reborn again on a daily basis, for some individuals, multiple times a day. Hell, sometimes capsuleers will kill themselves in their pod to be cloned again at another station, a sort of one way, instant transportation if you will.

Someone failing to clone isn't unheard of, but in this day and age, It's EXTREMELY rare. So rare that it's an issue that some capsuleers, probably even the majority of us, aren't even aware this can happen to them. The only realistic possibility of cloning failure is sabotage or some other form of damage to any key components involved in the cloning procedure.

So, a legendary admiral who might have quite a lot to say randomly fails to clone after dying in a major battle, a battle where she opposed the orders of someone with great power. It's a bit too good of a coincidence if you ask me.

With all this in mind, does anyone really think that random cloning failure is the culprit here?


Wait for the results of the inquiry.

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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-05-23 13:23:34 UTC
Even the universe will die, eventually. for me, the term "immortal" has never meant "will never die." Anybody who thought it did was lacking in perspective.

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TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#29 - 2013-05-23 14:49:17 UTC  |  Edited by: TomHorn
CEP to question Executive Officer Mininela Erinen under oath

The Executive Officer will appear before the tribunal on the morning of May 25th

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/cep-to-question-executive-officer-mininela-erinen-under-oath/

Hopefully we will be able to put to bed these conspiracy theories shortly.
Shiori Shaishi
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-05-23 15:03:22 UTC
I find I greatly enjoy the concept of a military linguistics algorithm.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-05-23 15:25:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Information lies at the very heart of warfare. If you set aside the physicality of guns, grenades and soldiers, and examine a war on its most abstract and intellectual level, then when done correctly it is the process of gathering as much knowledge about the foe as possible, while revealing as little of yourself as possible in return.

Language is a strategic weapon, and a potent one. All things are weapons, ultimately. To the properly trained mind, the distinction between "weapon" and "tool" is a meaningless one: A weapon is just a tool applied a certain way, to effect a certain outcome. A military linguistics algorithm is just the logical outcome of that philosophy of information warfare and language as weaponry.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-05-23 15:35:53 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Look at it this way.

- Yanala was given the order to fire the doomsday on Caldari Prime, which she did not do.

You have a sick imagination, mister.
Do you have any evidences of such order?

Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Of course, it could all be coincidence. But thousands of capsuleers perish and are reborn again on a daily basis, for some individuals, multiple times a day. Hell, sometimes capsuleers will kill themselves in their pod to be cloned again at another station, a sort of one way, instant transportation if you will.

Someone failing to clone isn't unheard of, but in this day and age, It's EXTREMELY rare. So rare that it's an issue that some capsuleers, probably even the majority of us, aren't even aware this can happen to them. The only realistic possibility of cloning failure is sabotage or some other form of damage to any key components involved in the cloning procedure.

No, it can't be coincidence. The only party that wanted Admiral dead right the moment after the battle, was... guess who?...

GALLENTE FEDERATION

Fredfredbug4 wrote:

So, a legendary admiral who might have quite a lot to say randomly fails to clone after dying in a major battle, a battle where she opposed the orders of someone with great power. It's a bit too good of a coincidence if you ask me.

With all this in mind, does anyone really think that random cloning failure is the culprit here?

Sabotaging cloning facility is a hard and long operation. Of course it can't be simple for this case, for this person, in this exact moment. It was planned by gallentean scum to catch her the same day they attacked OUR planet, destroyed OUR ship and now - killed OUR Admiral by sabotaging her clones!

GALLENTES MUST PAY FOR THEIR WAR CRIMES!!

Show them no mercy!

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For Heth!
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Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-05-23 15:56:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Diana Kim...

Please, PLEASE entertain, just for some time, the possibility that you could be wrong. and I don't mean lip service - I mean seriously give the idea some thought.

We have a duty to do the best we can by the Caldari people, and by the State. Part of that duty is to ensure that we are not wrong, that we are not falsely accusing the innocent, nor falsely acquitting the guilty. It is my experience in life that those who refuse to acknowledge their own fallibility are most often the ones who are furthest from the truth.

If there is ANY possibility that the Admiral's death was an inside act of sabotage, we must first find the evidence that eliminates that possibility before turning our anger abroad. It isn't enough to just "have faith" that it is not the case - it must be proven beyond any reasonable doubt. It IS possible that the admiral had enemies at home, it IS possible that she refused an executive order to destroy Home, and until those possibilities become "is not"s, our intellectual, moral, ethical and patriotic duty as Caldari is to tend to our own house first.

Heiian means service to the State. Serving the State means more than merely hating the Gallente, insulting them and waging war.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-05-23 16:15:31 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Diana Kim...

Please, PLEASE entertain, just for some time, the possibility that you could be wrong. and I don't mean lip service - I mean seriously give the idea some thought.

Wrong in what part exactly? Or am I wrong at, like, everything?

Stitcher wrote:

We have a duty to do the best we can by the Caldari people, and by the State. Part of that duty is to ensure that we are not wrong, that we are not falsely accusing the innocent, nor falsely acquitting the guilty. It is my experience in life that those who refuse to acknowledge their own fallibility are most often the ones who are furthest from the truth.

I pray to spirits to allow me to walk with people, who seek the truth and to keep me away from people, who found it.

Stitcher wrote:

If there is ANY possibility that the Admiral's death was an inside act of sabotage, we must first find the evidence that eliminates that possibility before turning our anger abroad. It isn't enough to just "have faith" that it is not the case - it must be proven beyond any reasonable doubt. It IS possible that the admiral had enemies at home, it IS possible that she refused an executive order to destroy Home, and until those possibilities become "is not"s, our intellectual, moral, ethical and patriotic duty as Caldari is to tend to our own house first.

And it is possible that it actually was an incident. Or just cover up for something different (for example, for suicide, at least, it's what I would do in her place). I just told what is the most probable thing from my opinions. But, anyway, gallentes have much more reasons to be disposed of than just sabotaging clones of a single State pilot.

Stitcher wrote:

Heiian means service to the State. Serving the State means more than merely hating the Gallente, insulting them and waging war.

This is not about "hating and insulting" Gallente. Serving to the State as a combat pilot means destruction of enemies of the State. And there is no more disgusting and threatening enemy to the State as a whole and to every Caldari citizen in particular, than Gallente Federation.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Sorjat
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-05-23 19:48:23 UTC
I for one have to join the ranks of the sceptics. How many thousands of clones were activated on that fateful day?? And of all those thousands of clones onley one fails to activate?? That of Admiral Yanala??

Really? This is pure Caldari Psi Op.

If we accept the press release that she was indeed destroyed that day then all I have to say is good riddance and well done my Gallente comrades!! Your efforts to rid this universe of evil were not in vain. Perhaps we might get luckier next time and have Caldari State Executor Heth take personal command next time...

If her clone did activate and she returned to Caldari space then she is in the Hands of one Tibus Heth. Mercy not being one of his many faults I suspect right now she would be wishing that she was vaporized that day.

Either way, the outcome is the same.

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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#36 - 2013-05-23 21:45:21 UTC
Sorjat wrote:
If we accept the press release that she was indeed destroyed that day then all I have to say is good riddance and well done my Gallente comrades!! Your efforts to rid this universe of evil were not in vain. Perhaps we might get luckier next time and have Caldari State Executor Heth take personal command next time...

If her clone did activate and she returned to Caldari space then she is in the Hands of one Tibus Heth. Mercy not being one of his many faults I suspect right now she would be wishing that she was vaporized that day.

Either way, the outcome is the same.


Statements such as these remind me why the Federation is my enemy.

I hope that one day I will be able to leave this conflict behind, but that is not today.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-05-23 22:01:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Diana Kim wrote:
Wrong in what part exactly? Or am I wrong at, like, everything?


Most specifically? Wrong about the Gallente, and Tibus Heth.

The Gallente are just people, some of whom, like Sorjat here, badly need a slap upside the head. Most just live their lives and have done nothing to deserve our enmity.

Heth is no saint. He's angry, constantly angry, and it's causing serious problems for Kaalakiota, and for the State. Iit's entirely possible that in his rage he could do something stupid.

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#38 - 2013-05-23 22:13:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Not merely angry, Hakatain-haan, but hateful. His hatred of the Gallente is what fuels him; it seems sometimes that he has little love for the State.

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Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2013-05-23 22:33:53 UTC
Sorjat wrote:
I for one have to join the ranks of the sceptics. How many thousands of clones were activated on that fateful day?? And of all those thousands of clones onley one fails to activate?? That of Admiral Yanala??

Really? This is pure Caldari Psi Op.

If we accept the press release that she was indeed destroyed that day then all I have to say is good riddance and well done my Gallente comrades!! Your efforts to rid this universe of evil were not in vain. Perhaps we might get luckier next time and have Caldari State Executor Heth take personal command next time...

If her clone did activate and she returned to Caldari space then she is in the Hands of one Tibus Heth. Mercy not being one of his many faults I suspect right now she would be wishing that she was vaporized that day.

Either way, the outcome is the same.


Such a charming specimen of immortality. I wonder if the Jovians ever look at the vitriol we hurl at each other on a daily basis and think that 'maybe this Capsuleer thing might not have been such a good idea after all'. There are places to vent your bilge and those places are not in public. Admiral Yalana was a heroine, and her name does not deserve to be besmirched by the ranks of guttersnipes like yourself. Even in death she emphasised the Caldari tradition of self sacrifice and loyalty to her people by deactivating the weapons and systems aboard the Titan. She did not crack off a shot with a doomsday weapon, or at least not at the planet. Thus you are either misinformed, an idiot or both if you consider Admiral Yalana to be evil.
Oh and FYI its spelt 'Psyops'

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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#40 - 2013-05-23 22:38:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Morwen Lagann
Stitcher wrote:
Heth is no saint. He's angry, constantly angry, and it's causing serious problems for Kaalakiota, and for the State. Iit's entirely possible that in his rage he could do something stupid.


I'd go "rather likely", myself. He's been off his damn rocker for ages.

The odds of any foul play being his action - should any foul play even be involved - are a fair bit higher than any overly complicated and convoluted explanation that would put the Federation behind it.

Why would they need to bother, once the Shiigeru was gone? The Shiigeru was the primary problem, as far as security in Luminaire was concerned. - it'd be a waste of resources and people to try something like that.

I don't care to buy into conspiracy theories, but I'll take the "Heth did it because he's losing his grasp on the State and reality" one over "the Black Eagles infiltrated the Caldari Navy all the way to the ******* top" if it comes down to it, thanks.

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