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Cristian Ambaek
Lab 23
#1 - 2013-05-22 20:12:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Cristian Ambaek
Game clients

We got the Windows and Mac OS X client, but i am wondering two things.
#1. Why is their not a Linux / Ubuntu client.
#2. If option 1 is not even remotely possible, why don't CCP donate to WineHQ to better their game.
If CCP has done this, i have not heard of it ever.

User base
The statistics from the Ubuntu community shows that 30.000.000 new users flood to the Ubuntu platform each month.
Which are craving better games. Why ignore this platform all together?

And are their some statistics that shows, what the EVE players are using for a OS?
And would it be able to differentiate between Windows, OS X and Linux (Wine) users.

Performance
Ubuntu (example) has over the years have developed a lot in performance of the graphics in openGL. And now exceeds DirectX with better FPS on same hardware with 10-20%. I don't know what OS X use to be honest.

Wine
It is true Linux / Ubuntu users got the Wine package to run .NET code. But this solution is decent not good. And EVE online is not (unfortunately) even Wine friendly. And i am for one having problems with the EVE launcher after the update.

Mac OS X
The Apple computers are just not build for gaming at all, and i don’t believe the experience of EVE on a Apple machine justify the development time spent on maintaining a client. But again, some statistics to show OS usage, would be nice, just because i am curious.

So to end this.
Does anyone know why CCP dosent have a Linux / Ubuntu client? Is it a decision they have taken X amount of time ago. Or did they just never consider a Linux / Ubuntu client?
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-05-22 20:15:05 UTC
There was a Linux Client at one time, but it was discontinued out of lack of use.

You can still get it to work under WINE.

Personally, I have a Mac but the OS X client is a POS for people who don't have the latest OS so I just use Parallels and the windows client works fine.

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Spurty
#3 - 2013-05-22 20:22:47 UTC
Woah going to get windows people angry with talk like that :-)

What never seems to be mentioned about Linux is the absolutely phenomenal speed at which it is maturing. The gaming side is perfectly reasonable for me on steam (often play TF2 via my Linux box using steam).

On my Mac, its a bit like treacle

Still, until games developers and openGL (let's be honest, they keep dropping the ball!) get with the program, its going to make more sense to houses on a budget to get the product out to the majority first.

Wait until the steam box is mature before asking again and you might find more converts

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Drachiel
Mercury LLC
#4 - 2013-05-22 20:32:42 UTC
I'm predicting the Linux client will come back when Steam for Linux leaves beta.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#5 - 2013-05-22 20:35:12 UTC
Cristian Ambaek wrote:

....why don't CCP donate to WineHQ to better their game.


Enough people in GD donate to WhineHQ as it is.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Zak Breen
Breen Enterprises
#6 - 2013-05-22 20:45:34 UTC
I'd use Linux if more games were developed for it. I like it better than Windows and Mac. That said, it's doubtful they'll support a Linux client anytime soon. (sadly)

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Adam Akiga
FewDollarsMore
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2013-05-22 20:54:26 UTC

Mac OS X
The Apple computers are just not build for gaming at all, and i don’t believe the experience of EVE on a Apple machine justify the development time spent on maintaining a client. But again, some statistics to show OS usage, would be nice, just because i am curious.

really? I guess you just didnt use it....or tell me why more games are for OS X...
Cristian Ambaek
Lab 23
#8 - 2013-05-23 05:16:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Cristian Ambaek
Adam Akiga wrote:

really? I guess you just didnt use it....or tell me why more games are for OS X...


I got a MacBook Pro given from work and got a Imac at work. And no, their is not more games for OS X then for Linux.
Their are just more well known titles, and more hype about OS X because it's an "Apple" product (roll eyes).
Mastertz
Itagaki Heavy Industries
#9 - 2013-05-23 05:20:51 UTC
The platform with the most games is mobile anyhow so you guys can stop the slap fight.

PCs are for old geezers anyway.
Julius Rigel
#10 - 2013-05-23 12:32:49 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Enough people in GD donate to WhineHQ as it is.
WHINE Honestly Is Not an Emulator.

There is a linux client, it just hasn't been updated since like RMR or Bloodlines. The Windows client worked great through WINE last time I tried, and that was 4-5 years ago, so I imagine it must be very stable by now.

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Lord Ryan
True Xero
#11 - 2013-05-23 12:45:10 UTC
I love My Mac. I love all my Apple products. I hate anything Microsuck touches. I don't care how excited I am about a game, no Apple support I'm just not playing. Bought a back up PC last year around $1,000, I don't even touch it.

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
Sedrie
Apple Industries Inc.
#12 - 2013-05-23 14:00:06 UTC
Cristian Ambaek wrote:
Game clients

We got the Windows and Mac OS X client, but i am wondering two things.
#1. Why is their not a Linux / Ubuntu client.
#2. If option 1 is not even remotely possible, why don't CCP donate to WineHQ to better their game.
If CCP has done this, i have not heard of it ever.

The Mac port is pure Cider ( http://transgaming.com/cider/games?page=4 ), the relationship already exists with Transgaming
At this point, it's likely all about cost to make it work with OpenGL. Perhaps if you offer to pony up that expense, CCP will jump right on it? I'm sure it couldn't cost more than a few million dollars.

Cristian Ambaek wrote:
User base
The statistics from the Ubuntu community shows that 30.000.000 new users flood to the Ubuntu platform each month.
Which are craving better games. Why ignore this platform all together?

That's 30,000,000 people I feel really sorry for. Have you ever used Ubuntu? It's abysmal.

"OMG! Don't use root u nub!" should be their warcry. Never the slightest desire to explain why, however.

No thanks.

Cristian Ambaek wrote:
Mac OS X
The Apple computers are just not build for gaming at all, and i don’t believe the experience of EVE on a Apple machine justify the development time spent on maintaining a client. But again, some statistics to show OS usage, would be nice, just because i am curious.

This is actually pretty funny. You do realize the object of your ignorance had games long before Linux was a thing? Long before the PC as a whole had moved away from the "business machine" that could do little more than spreadsheets and the occasional flight simulator? Multiplayer games too. Sure, you had to use the MIDI port, but you could play with your Mac friends while the PC guys looked on in pure awe.

I am by no means a fanboi (unless you consider scathing hatred of Debian/SuSE anti-fanboi), I do own Apple products as well as those from Redmond and originating from UC Berkeley, Finland and Bell Labs in Jersey.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#13 - 2013-05-23 14:39:42 UTC
Cristian Ambaek wrote:
Mac OS X
The Apple computers are just not build for gaming at all


Neither are most Wintels sold at Walmart by your standards. Of course your statement is a clear example of the "no true Scotsman" logical fallacy. If I added a high end video card to my Mac Pro you'd tell me that "any system built for gaming would have feature X" where X is some feature my Mac Pro doesn't have.

(this is a hypothetical example, I am not rich enough to afford a Mac Pro)

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#14 - 2013-05-23 14:41:44 UTC
Cristian Ambaek wrote:
We got the Windows and Mac OS X client, but i am wondering two things.
#1. Why is their not a Linux / Ubuntu client.


There was a Linux client, but it turns out that Linux users were able to make the Windows version of EVE run better using WINE than CCP could using TransGaming's version of WINE. So it looked to CCP as though most of the Linux users were actually Windows users. The Linux users basically outsmarted themselves.

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Alua Oresson
League of the Shieldy
SLYCE Pirates
#15 - 2013-05-23 14:59:52 UTC
It runs pretty well over WINE. The only issue I had was with my dual monitors making it span both instead of go on one screen. That's more a Linux problem than an EVE problem though. There is a Linux subforum with a small, helpful community.

http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/
Catyra Buelle
Softlayer's Derp Squad
#16 - 2013-05-24 04:52:29 UTC
Sedrie wrote:

Cristian Ambaek wrote:
User base
The statistics from the Ubuntu community shows that 30.000.000 new users flood to the Ubuntu platform each month.
Which are craving better games. Why ignore this platform all together?

That's 30,000,000 people I feel really sorry for. Have you ever used Ubuntu? It's abysmal.

"OMG! Don't use root u nub!" should be their warcry. Never the slightest desire to explain why, however.

No thanks.


AKA, you don't understand Ubuntu so you think it's bad? The fact that you don't understand the importance of not using root points to this. In which case, Ubuntu has made leaps and bounds in the past year. They've been shying away from Gnome and implementing their own design standards. 13.04 was a huge improvement for performance and 13.10 is going to further Ubuntu coming into their own desktop. That is, speaking strictly of Unity/Ubuntu desktop. Under the hood, Linux is quite solid.

As for the whole root issue, it's akin to using Administrator on Windows. You don't want root login because you don't want to initiate an action that may cause harm to your system, or run a program that gets elevated privileges. It seems like idiotproofing to people not familiar with why, but it's a layer of protection. Most of the reasons are more applicable to servers and command line however. For one, SSH shouldn't allow root (especially by default install) as it gives an attacker half of the information they need to log in (a persistently known login). It also helps audit user actions since you know who logged in and who elevated their privileges with sudo/sudo su. Another reason, you don't want to be working in say /etc/nginx and run 'rm -r / srv/some/php/folder' < you just toasted a good bit of your OS.