Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So because you have a micro-niche use for a ship - one that's better filled by other ships - you think the ship is ok for general use. Cool story.

-Liang

"A matter of taste perhaps. But it works very well for me."
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if you like **** yeah matter of tastes, but most people dont like **** and wont buy this ship
why make a ship ,especially a battleship which should be general purpose ship ,to be only used by such a small part of players in such a narrow situation

Not run math, its based on my current CNR using and needing them to avoid excessive swapping of ammo for smaller targets (I'm lazy). To be fair supports aren't quite all V yet, it may be slightly sub optimal.

99% sure I've not screwed math up.

I'm sorry if I'm a bit late, however...

I fly mostly Minmatar and Amarr ships, no offense Caldari and Gallente ships, but missiles are not my thing, and I can't stand the look of gallentean ships...yeah, i choose by their looks too.

I'm not entirely happy with the changes forour Fleet Issue vessels.

The Typhoon was the main ship for armour for us, not it sports the same layout as the Tempest. It is unfair to say that the Tempest is designed to be the main armour ship, as that is false. The Typhoon filled that role perfectly well, tank-wise. I agree that the weaponry was changed to a better combo. Having 2 weapon systems is still not good though.

My biggest issue is the Tempest. This ship is not bad, but it's strong point was that it was tankier having armour with a decent damage output or a good damage output with shields, being fast and small. Losing speed and gaining signature radius is taking away what made the tempest a tempest. It was a small and rather nimble ship, now it feels more like an average ship. It's mediocre, that's the word.

Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret rate of fire
+5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret damage

Slot layout: 8H, 5M, 7L; 6 turrets, 4 launchers
Fittings: 17500 PWG(+450), 580 CPU(+3)
Defense (shields / armor / hull): 10200(+884) / 10800(+369) / 9000(-961)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate): 5500(+187.5) / 1150s(-4.875s)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 130(-2) / .115(+.007) / 103300000 / 16.47s(+1s)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 75 / 100
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 74km(+11.5km) / 100 / 7
Sensor strength: 24 Ladar Sensor Strength(+.25)
Signature radius: 350(+10)

The extra targeting range is welcomed, but why do I need to be a tankier Tempest, however this is my issue: "takes on as a very strong projectile platform with an armor base – something that is difficult to find elsewhere." The fleet Typhoon takes this role pretty well, or does it better, with a smaller signature, a faster speed and better DPS, more cap, slightly lesser tank but a faster align time and a better scan resolution. The main difference is that the Tempest can fit arties easier but finds itself lacking the range to use it.

My suggestion would be to give the Tempest an extra gun (and the appropriate powergrid to support a 1400), remove the Turret damage bonus for a falloff bonus and increase the 5% to RoF for 7.5% to RoF, while giving us the ability to have 100mb of drones. Most of these combat ships can launch 5 heavies easily, why can't us at least have 4? Or at least keep the current damage bonus, increase the rate of fire bonus and give us the extra 25mbps for drones. You already made it beautiful to the sight, don't make it an outdated ship, please.

On a completely different note, but related to rebalancing, please fix the Vargur - it lacks tank, powergrid and damage capabilities, it can't even fit T2 1200s without a miracle (1400s are impossible if you at least want to survive 1 volley), this ship is overshadowed by faction ships in the same role.. And the Paladin, it's ungodly signature is ludicrous, it has the size of a shield ship and the speed of an armour boat. Best solution +1 extra slot for all Marauders, be this an extra high+gun, an extra mid for armour ships or an extra low for shield ships.

Level 4s in low sec and null sec are not going to be emptying your capacitor hard enough to neut you dry. Also, you adapt ways to solve this problem (namely, immediately kill the scram rats - don't wait until someone is scanning you down and you're scrambled). I have had absolutely no trouble with pirate level 4s or years of low sec level 4s. I have never lost a ship to another player, despite missioning in actively hostile space in a marauder.

As to the CNR: it is obsolete by a great number of ships. It has no role, not even the one you are claiming it to have. It is useless.

-Liang

If you want to know someones opinion, the best way is to ask.

Stoic I respect you but those fits are....biased to show DPS numbers only.....I really find the low tank and absence of prop mod on those fits disturbing....and using 2 AC's just to buff DPS numbers on cruise setups is also quite biased, especially with the lack of a prop mod.

Also I believe balancing should NOT be done with faction mods in mind but even in that case you are reduced to using a CPU enhancer for your basic fit.

The funny thing is: Even the current Fphoon is not so far off from these numbers, yet no one uses it like this. A 3 slot tank with no prop mod will just not cut it....and even if it does, it erquires to be shield tank, it requires crystals, godly skills (all drone, projectile and missile skills), extensive knowledge of spawn points, volley amounts etc.....which can be only be done by a small niche of players, which are NOT the focus of ship rebalancing. To claim that those fits are functional just supports Malcanis' claim of Fphoon being a "Hardmode" ship.

Please stop using "Hardmode" EFT fits to please trolls like Naomi and use more functional fits that cater to a wider community.

Now....don't get me wrong. I feel Fphoon needs a change too....and I stated earlier that it would make sense to:

Drop to 5/5 turrets launchers
Make slots 8 4 8
Keep new bonuses.

This would open op Shield Navy Issue ship for minmater role to Fpest and give a stronger emphasis for PvP for Phoon.

Fpest needs a flat damage buff to be able to compete with artybaddons for the armor alpha role Rise has stated in the original post. Increasing 5% dmg buff to 7.5% increases effective turrets of pest to 8.25(before rof) which puts alpha to a slightly higher level than mael and artybaddon.

But the other 99.9% of the CNR users - will trade.

This. I love how people complain about faction mods on missionrunning faction battleship - when it comes to prove how "perfectly balanced" winmatar ships are because they are "hardmode" to fit.

So just fyi Deerin, without any faction mods, new cnr with t2 bcus and t2 tank will be around 80-100cpu over the available 975 cpu.


Another good point. Tbh you might even experience noticeable improvement, because 400dps from sentries alone will be able to destroy frigs at range and take care of cruisers on their own. And that means less volleys on smaller stuff and more volleys on battleships that wont mitigate any damage from cruise missiles.

Simple question, why has the new Navy Domi the bonuses of the old Domi?