Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The comparison is dishonest ; the Hyperion is not a true combat BS speed wise, and comparing to the Dominix would be a lot fairer.

Sub-Warp Maximum Velocity
Megathron: 152.5m/s
Dominix: 136,25m/s

Speed increase is now 12%, which is 5% less than the speed increase from cruiser standard, which is the same pattern from cruisers to frigates.

In fact, the Hyperion shouldn't be seen as a combat BS IMO, or only in the gallente fashion, which is more small gang oriented where speed matter a lot.

As for the attack role in itself, as CCP Rise said, it's oriented toward damage application, with bonus to this (for the Raven, the Apocalypse and the Megathron). The odd ones here are the minmatar attack ships in fact, but they have plenty of midslots for this.

The Hyperion should lose a bit of speed IMO, or lose that silly armour rep bonus. Slot layout and fittings is great, dps is great, it's just a bit too fast for the HP it has and if, in the hyperions case, I had to choose between losing hp or losing speed, i'd lose speed to allow it to better differentiate with the megathron.

Didn't capacitor size and/or regen rate go up?

Well imagine how the amarr pilots feel x10 for the abbadon and the Apoc ... silly thing is the abbadon could be solved quite easy.

It's amazing - when people ask for fitting advice everyone says "Don't worry about cap stability - it doesn't matter in PvP and in PvPE use a booster", and yet there's pages upon pages of people ranting in here about how their favourite ship now isn't cap-stable.

Yes, some people talk about it rationally, but way too many have chosen "the standard fit must be cap stable on a POS bash" as their hill to stand and die on.

This question was raised before but again - do we really have to loose one module for drone ships? Then let's have drone boats to have more drones to control and more control range to compensate because as already mentioned if you use utility drones you loose all your DPS.
Probably need to balance but 6 drone 150 bandwith Domi would be interesting and different from Armageddon.

It's not a dishonest comparison because both of these ships rely completely on guns for their offensive prowess. The Dominix doesn't NEED to be fast to get damage in, being a drone boat. The only reason the Thorax was compared to the Vexor is because there simply isn't another option for a combat cruiser to choose from on the Gallente lineup.

Granted, this trend is actually different amongst Caldari and Amarr, where their Attack Battleships are actually quite faster than their closest combat counterpart. But let's use the Megathron vs Dominix, as you like. We find here that:

1) Raven is 26.96% faster than the Rokh
2) Apocalypse is 26.96% faster than the Abaddon
3) Tempest is 35.10% faster than the Maelstrom (Typhoon, Attack BS #2 is 38.29% faster)
4) Megathron is 11.96% faster than the Dominix

First question, did CCP give Caldari/Amarr the exact same speeds on purpose (lawl)? The problem with the Gallente Attack Battleship is that our ships are already decently quick, like I said, and our "Attack" variant comes in with, at highest value, 15% less of a speed boost compared to its counterparts. CCP can't get them that same feeling of speed over their combat counterparts because it either ruins our combat BS by nerfing their speeds, or it simply makes the Megathron too fast.

I have no issues with the Megathron's speed as it is. But I think it makes more sense to just call it a Combat Battleship and give us 3 Combat Battleships, as the Minmatar get 2 Attack Battleships. Really though, I don't think it matters much. If I had my way, I'd slow the Mega down, buff its HP, call it Combat; conversely I'd nerf Hyperion HP a bit, buff its speed further, and call it Attack.

The Rokh should really be much faster though with its blasters and all, Null and optimal range bonus only does so much... also its a range bonus makes it more like an attack role oddly ....

Considering how slow and heavy the abbadon is much like the Rokh its not hard too compare

Maelstrom is strangely slow...
-being small gang ship .. or at least its bonus would suggest this
-being minmatar its surprisingly slow compared to other races combat ships

Megathron makes no sense being 'attack' whilst using blasters on an plated armour ship ... shield fit makes more sense.
-domi has barely been nerfed in terms of speed and mass .. it no longer needs it so much without Hybrid damage bonus

The problem with the cap on the mega plus the new RoF is that you will not be able to keep your guns running under completely normal circumstances (using no other modules and not getting neuted).

One of the few advantages of blasters over pulse ships until these changes was that you could rely on them to be able to keep firing their guns as long as you turned off all the other modules (mwd, neuts, etc.). Anyone who has been in a low sec triage carrier fight knows that these things can sometimes go on for a long time and people run out of ammo/cap at the worst times. One of the downsides of the Abaddon, since it has great dps, great projection, and great tank, is that in a longer fight, you're going to be screaming like a ***** for cap once you run out of boosters. It's a PITA to have your guards cap up your ships just so they can fire their guns, so this is one area where Gallente ships actually performed well, especially since they had a native dps advantage (though not always in practice due to tank requirements).

If the changes go through as they are, that advantage will be gone, and we'll be left with a weapon system with **** range that will cap out when you're balls deep in the middle of an enemy fleet. It's a big deal to not even be able to run your guns by themselves and be cap stable. No other level of hybrids has this problem, and it's going to make Gallente BS even less desirable.

Just use the Hyperion for these situations ?