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eve melts my GUI

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xxanjoahir
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2011-11-04 15:36:35 UTC
Has anyone got a solution to how hot the GUI gets when playing eve?

I have all my setting turned down, and eve is the only game that causes me to BSOD with a stop 0x00000124 issue.

all other games run fine, i have been plagued with this issue since the dominion patch... Its got ridiculous lately.

Idle temp. 60 degrees, active in game temp 80 degrees.

Its been back to the shop and they gave me a new hard drive saying i had an issue with that, since having the new hard drive the problem has persisted.

I have a Mobility Radeon HD 4500/5100 series all up to date drivers...

cheers,
Transport Sheep
CoonQuest
#2 - 2011-11-04 15:37:47 UTC
Sorry can not resist.

What other games? Sudoku?
Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#3 - 2011-11-04 15:39:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Denidil
LAPTOPS ARE NOT FOR GAMING*


try turning off "load station environment", if you're getting symptoms in space get one of those cooling trays for your laptop.






* except for the very top end expensive ones that are.

[edit]
oh and FFS get a can of compressed air and clean out all the cooling systems on the laptop

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#4 - 2011-11-04 15:42:26 UTC
Melts your GUI?

As in, your buttons and drop-down menus start to sag and drip? P
xxanjoahir
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2011-11-04 15:44:23 UTC  |  Edited by: xxanjoahir
Denidil wrote:
LAPTOPS ARE NOT FOR GAMING*


try turning off "load station environment", if you're getting symptoms in space get one of those cooling trays for your laptop.






* except for the very top end expensive ones that are.


thanks - station enviro is turned off and i have a cooling tray. The card has no dust on it and i keep the filters clean, i just cant seem to get the game stable, WOT, COD, all my other MMORP games work fine....

PS: I know this is a top end laptop // i work with them so know what to look for and what not.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#6 - 2011-11-04 15:47:43 UTC
GPU you mean.

CoD which one? If its CoD I then of course its going to run fine.

The fact its a laptop though means you need to either upgrade the laptop or get a real computer. EVEs minium requirements have been creeping up over the years no longer relying on technology 10 years old.

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Enquirer
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-11-04 15:53:11 UTC
This game is easily run on older systems.... you have an issue with your pc...Chances are a bad memory stick or something... it itsnt the game. Look elsewhere.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#8 - 2011-11-04 15:59:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Ptraci
xxanjoahir wrote:
Has anyone got a solution to how hot the GUI gets when playing eve?

I have all my setting turned down, and eve is the only game that causes me to BSOD with a stop 0x00000124 issue.

all other games run fine, i have been plagued with this issue since the dominion patch... Its got ridiculous lately.

Idle temp. 60 degrees, active in game temp 80 degrees.

Its been back to the shop and they gave me a new hard drive saying i had an issue with that, since having the new hard drive the problem has persisted.

I have a Mobility Radeon HD 4500/5100 series all up to date drivers...

cheers,


FYI the hard drive is probably having problems because of the heat, it's not causing the heat. The hotter your machine gets, the more likely a hard drive is going to fail. Pretty standard is to check your fans for dust - dust buildup in fans and heat sinks acts as insulation and traps heat. Did you change your hardware configuration lately? Yeah changes in software can really kick up the heat depending on how much they ask the CPU/GPU to do, but 80 degrees is dangerously hot - that's not just a software problem. While graphics cards are designed to run up to 105 degrees C in short bursts, you wouldn't want them spending a long time above 90C. Certainly a CPU at 80C means a problem - the older ones start losing life expectancy above 75C and die around 100C. Newer ones have thermal protection and just quit working before frying.

Consider your case layout, dust in the fans, and if nothing works perhaps it's time to look at upgrading your hardware. Make sure you have a nice case then start with the graphics cards since they are the main sources of heat nowadays.

Hope this helps at all. I myself run 6 EVE clients at the same time on the same machine, and have never seen CPU temperatures above 50C (idle is 37) and GPU above 90C with captain's quarters turned on for all 6 clients. So while EVE may not be co-operating too well with older hardware, it's not _that_ much of a pig. FYI I have an Intel i7-950, water cooled with a Corsair H70, 12GB RAM, and 3 graphics cards - Nvidia GTX 470 x2 and an old GeForce 9400GT, all on a fairly cheap Asus motherboard and a really nice Cooler Master case. While it was an expensive set up when I bought it about 18 months ago it's by no means a "monster rig" today and shouldn't cost more than $1200 to build from scratch. The GTX 470's are going for under $200 each at Newegg, some generics are under $100 each.
xxanjoahir
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2011-11-04 16:05:03 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
xxanjoahir wrote:
Has anyone got a solution to how hot the GUI gets when playing eve?

I have all my setting turned down, and eve is the only game that causes me to BSOD with a stop 0x00000124 issue.

all other games run fine, i have been plagued with this issue since the dominion patch... Its got ridiculous lately.

Idle temp. 60 degrees, active in game temp 80 degrees.

Its been back to the shop and they gave me a new hard drive saying i had an issue with that, since having the new hard drive the problem has persisted.

I have a Mobility Radeon HD 4500/5100 series all up to date drivers...

cheers,


FYI the hard drive is probably having problems because of the heat, it's not causing the heat. The hotter your machine gets, the more likely a hard drive is going to fail. Pretty standard is to check your fans for dust - dust buildup in fans and heat sinks acts as insulation and traps heat. Did you change your hardware configuration lately? Yeah changes in software can really kick up the heat depending on how much they ask the CPU/GPU to do, but 80 degrees is dangerously hot - that's not just a software problem. While graphics cards are designed to run up to 105 degrees C in short bursts, you wouldn't want them spending a long time above 90C. Certainly a CPU at 80C means a problem - the older ones start losing life expectancy above 75C and die around 100C. Newer ones have thermal protection and just quit working before frying.

Consider your case layout, dust in the fans, and if nothing works perhaps it's time to look at upgrading your hardware. Make sure you have a nice case then start with the graphics cards since they are the main sources of heat nowadays.

Hope this helps at all.


TY:

Unforunately this is a dedicated motherboard and im not too sure I want to start messing around with it.

saying that I do keep checks on the dust issue's - and i've decreased everything in eve to try and give a bit less strain on the card...

Like i say my other games work fine but im constantly BSOD with eve...and the support wasnt much help apart from telling me to updated my drivers.

ill have to take a look at upgrading, i fear that i may not be able to do much.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-11-04 16:12:26 UTC
Play with the presentation invterval and watch the frame rate.


The issue with a lot of the Nvidia cards is that one of the presentations allows the frame-rate to spiral out of control, yeah great youu 1500 computer is getting 430fps...its also melting the GPU(s).

If you keep the presentation interval so that the frame rate stays within reason (so 40-50fps) it will stay much cooler.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#11 - 2011-11-04 16:33:11 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Play with the presentation invterval and watch the frame rate.


The issue with a lot of the Nvidia cards is that one of the presentations allows the frame-rate to spiral out of control, yeah great youu 1500 computer is getting 430fps...its also melting the GPU(s).

If you keep the presentation interval so that the frame rate stays within reason (so 40-50fps) it will stay much cooler.


Ctrl + F to check your frame rate in game.

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Jokerface666
Intergalactic Expeditionary Corp
#12 - 2011-11-04 16:52:15 UTC
1. got to the store and kick the guy in the face... harddrive, i hope you haven't payed for that
2. get a PC and not a laptop
3. get serious business hardware
Amsterdam Conversations
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-11-04 17:10:22 UTC
How can a GUI get hot?
Little Delicious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-11-04 18:05:03 UTC
bsod. maybe you should upgrade from windows 95.
Written Word
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2011-11-04 18:07:35 UTC
Buy an Nvidia card or turn off station environment.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#16 - 2011-11-04 18:08:27 UTC
xxanjoahir wrote:

PS: I know this is a top end laptop // i work with them so know what to look for and what not.


... and yet I am calling a GPU (Graphics Processing Unit) a GUI (Graphical User Interface) What?

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Durie
WORLDSTAR HIPHOP
Brotherhood of Spacers
#17 - 2011-11-04 18:13:27 UTC
Train thermodynamics and grab some nanite repair paste. Also, placing offlined laptops next to your system may help as well.
Pent'nor
#18 - 2011-11-04 18:19:40 UTC
I'll throw in my two isk's, one way to take the stress off of the gpu is to put it on the cpu. It makes playing eve a bit slow, but maybe worth a try.

In the video card driver properties, there are some settings for how 3d is handeled. No clue what it looks like on yours but mine is:

Texture Quality: Performance
Anisotropic Filtering: 2x
Vertex Processing: Enabled software processing
Vertical Sync: On

The main thing is the processing part which should take some stress off the gpu and have the cpu process it instead.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2011-11-04 18:25:26 UTC
My Graphical User Interface also melts when I play EvE. But that's just because it sucks...doesn't have anything to do with my GPU.

Either way both of my laptops run EvE + Incarna just fine.

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Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#20 - 2011-11-04 19:33:48 UTC
for laptops, F10 is your friend unloads a lot of the GPU use.

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