Ships & Modules

It's simple, you're using an orca.

The mwd-cloak trick doesn't work on an orca as there are no cap sized MWDs.

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this must be a troll thread

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It does work. Without cap-sized MWD. The trick is, it requires not fitting for max cargo.

Not sure if I'm EFTing it wrong, but Orca with Prototype 100mn MWD and Improved Cloaking Device has a top speed of 77.3m/s, you need to get to 56.25m/s within 1 cycle of the MWD to properly pull off the trick correct?

If that's the case, it seems possible with speed, align time and mwd cycle increase modules/rigs and implants, but it will still probably be really close and will require a massive amount of investment.

On a side note, Orca barely works with align+mwd "trick" (just to reduce align time to ~10 s), without "cloak" part. With it, well...

Maybe I should try all-out nano Orca fit or something though.

It's not a 100% solution. Done correctly you get 11s from decloak to in warp. (cycle-time of the MWD + 1s for aligning and uncloak).

If you wait with cloaking just a few seconds after align/MWD, you can time it so that you come out of cloak at the same time as the MWD turns off. You will not be cloaked during the whole aligntime, but almost.

Wow I have rarely seen so many bad posts on a simple subject, must be a whole bunch of EFT warriors that have never flown an Orca.

First of all a 100mn MWD is easily fitted with one 5% eg-605 implant. Move the MWD up to the F1 position on your Hud, right click and turn off ‘auto-repeat’. When you spawn in a new system simply click ‘Jump’ on the next gate in your route and hit the F1 key. 10s later you will be in warp, additionally when you undock from a station double click in space behind your Orca (As if to turn around) and hit F1, this will reduce your undock speed to 0 in one MWD cycle. Then without pause when your first cycle completes click ‘Jump’ on the first gate in your route and press F1 again (10s to warp).

I have been told of the MWD Cloak trick, but have yet to see anyone in two years actually demonstrate it to me ’ Working’ on an Orca. I just tried every variation of the order of Module activation I could think of and it seems to take me longer than hitting ‘Jump, F1’.

[Orca, Hauler]
Improved Cloaking Device II

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Survey Scanner II
Ship Scanner II
Cargo Scanner II

Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

2x Large Cargohold Optimization II
Large Cargohold Optimization I

Effective HP: 213,758 (Eve: 204,711)

So true, unfortunately.

Fact 1: From 0 speed (i.e. gate cloak) Orca enters warp after single cycle of 100MN MWD. Always.

Fact 2: When using Improved Cloaking Device II or better, Orca gets almost to the warp initiation speed at the end of the cycle of said 100MN MWD.

@Goldiiee: last time I checked the purpose of cloak+MWD is not speeding entering the warp per se, but avoiding lock and subsequent scram in the process. I believe I managed this feast in my Orca but it was only tested against a t1 frigate with scripted sebos. If you want to (dis)proove it yourself, contact me in game and we can arrange a meeting against a ship of your choice.

Thanks for the theorycrafting, everyone. Yes, I've read it all.

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Yeah, that's what I'm doing right now. My current fit is: (I know, hardly ideal, which is why I'm here)

[Orca, Max EHP]
Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Improved Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I


Can anyone explain the exact cutoff? I'm sure suicide gankers have calculated the exact cost to break through a freighter's ~200k EHP before Concord says hi. The Orca can actually hit 240k or so, which is kind of cute.

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There were a couple "it totally works brah" replies like this. If there's someone out there that can instawarp out of cloak, could you actually post your fit?

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Could you elaborate on your second edit? If you're using rigs that extend AB/MWD cycle duration, that seems huge. (This was actually the most exciting reply for me, as I wasn't aware of those rigs.) I don't understand how fitting those rigs changes the target speed to enter warp.

The fit that best uses those Engine Thermal Shielding rigs that I could come up with was:

[Orca, Sneaky Zoom]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

100MN Digital Booster Rockets
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Improved Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Engine Thermal Shielding II
Large Engine Thermal Shielding II
Large Engine Thermal Shielding II

... but (at least for me) that's a 32.6 sec align time and a 20sec MWD cycle duration (and it sacrifices a lot of EHP to get there). That's still twenty seconds for a ganker to meander on over and pop you out of cloak, too.

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Right now the conclusion I'm reaching is that it's impossible to instawarp out of cloak, so I should give up on hauling loads that are profitable to suicide gank and just focus on EHP. Here's what I'm settling on:

[Orca, Max EHP]
Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Improved Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Cargohold Optimization II
Large Cargohold Optimization II

... with about 243k EHP with skills at all 5's. (Replacing the Cargohold II's with Shield Extender I's puts it at about 260k. Sadly, I don't think there are hull rigs.)

Notice that I had to throw an Ancillary Current Router on there. At least one person fit a 100MN MWD with no powergrid-increasing modules or rigs. There's a storyline 100MN MWD that only needs 1125 powergrid (the Digital Rocket Boosters) but that's silly expensive, north of 600M. I'm assuming the difference is a +powergrid implant, right?

Finally, since it seems like I won't be instawarping out of cloak, when exactly do you lose the ability to cloak: when another player BEGINS locking you, or when they FINISH locking you?

Thanks again.

Interesting. That's... close enough to be very interesting.

In EFT it comes to a 19.2 sec align time with all 5s and a full Low-Grade Nomad set. 26.2s without the implants. Completely right about the Inertia Stabilizers, by the way.

Have you flown a similar fit yourself, by any chance? I'm really curious how a fit that says 19.2s (instead of ~10s) in EFT can be close to instawarping post-cloak, but I agree that my current Orca fit feels closer to warping post-cloak than it should be according to EFT.

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Edit: the EFT fit for anyone curious:

[Orca, Instawarp MWD+Cloak]
Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I
Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Caldari Navy Cloaking Device
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Low Friction Nozzle Joints II
Large Low Friction Nozzle Joints II
Large Ancillary Current Router I