EVE Alliance Tournament Discussion

But tinker has limited manapool and has to go back to fountain m8

That may all correct and true but I personally think of Tinkers as the Irish word for Gypsies.

Some of the ships have nosferatu which steals cap from other ships so that all makes perfect sense for me too.

we see what you did there vn1

In the first dota, tinker actually turned into a tank when you activated bkb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcXXsnhJiww

Just watched some of the matches, heard multiple times that it's skill intensive setup.

I have no idea who had spread this myth, but actually on average tinker (unlike its namesake from dota) takes almost no skill to run it effectively. The only guy who does something which resembles 'skill' is logi pilot, and even he does the same what usual logi pilot does minus control of his position on the field.

You mean, armor turtle has to do everything any ewar-heavy team has to do, minus caring about cap, neuts, partially tank and positioning?

We've researched turtles thoroughly enough before SCL3 to understand them, still - they need a way less fc/piloting skill than any other 'classic' setup.

Your research sounds accurate.



If you think my post was supposed to be a krugman op-ed or explain anything, there's no hope for you v0v

Turtles are boring, but beatable. Sadly I never examined the shield turtles before the tournament, or we would have stood a much better chance of winning our matches. The problem with these lower points tournaments is that turtles go up in relative strength. The 1 energy transfer per ship rule does do quite a bit to counteract their strength.

As it stands if you bring the wrong setup against a turtle you are not going to break it, unless the turtle makes a mistake. It is a scissor (neutralization) /paper (turtle) /rock (cookie-cutter) situation.

It is boring to watch, but interesting strategically.

The Tinker is an interesting setup from the theorycrafting perspective. It invites the opponent to make the first move while you sit, defend, and watch what they do. Often, you can find a weak ship to kill while absorbing their damage, strengthening your hand and making them more and more desperate to kill your ships... usually resulting in more losses.

I do hope AT11 removes it as a possibility, as a lot of teams might Tinker up and go defensive if they're not sure what setup they want to run, especially if each match is critical to win.

However, it's beatable, especially if a team *coughPLcough* use it over and over, as that first match of the SCL finals showed us. There is no perfect setup, woe to those who forget this.