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They mean: Come to us, we're the cool guys, the poor Republicians aren't even able to run their own house, thus we need to show them how. Slavery is at best implied, but by no means necessitated by 'reclaim', which is quite ingenious in a commercial, as it allows those who'd like to see the Matari of the Republic enslaved read exactly this into it as well as it allows other Amarr who're not in favor of enslavement to opt for another form of reclaiming.
Yes, one can read enslavement of the entire population of the Republic into the ad. The claim that one has to read it into it, is hilarious, though - and can only come from one who's unable to appreciate the full palette of meaning 'Reclaiming' has or who wants to construe it that way.

It's not a strategic goal that's been formulated here. The point is, it was meant to be ambiguous, to cater all sides, specifically of the capsuleers in the Empire, for it's not a reall all out war what we have here, but simply a way for people like you to vent. The ad is meant to reach the capsuleer community that tends to pick the Amarrian side anyway. It's not really the Empire doing stuff here, it's wargames.

It's reality loss to deny that.

And honestly, I think it's pretty ******** to make arguments out of recruitment commercials, like you do.

I'm afraid, Ms. Mithra, that you seem to have missed part of the meaning of that recruitment text, the part about 'reclaiming' the Minmatar. Given the fact that the institution of slavery is as much of an economic venture (supported by fact and statistic) as it is supposedly a religious venture (supported by...), the economic usage of the word 'reclaim' would mean to take back property that you think was yours. You're only seeing one side of the coin here, ironically.

And if you really want to get down to the fact of the matter, it is the dark age brought about by the Amarr occupation of the tribal planets and subsequent ****, murder and slavery for centuries that could reasonably be attributed, if not the main cause, at least a pretty important factor in the condition of the Republic today. So no, it's not that they aren't capable of 'building their house', it's that you took their toolkit from them, and are now holding it above their heads saying 'look how incompetent you are! I need to teach you how to build your own house, do I?'. It's honestly no wonder the Amarr are so loved throughout the cluster.

Cpt. Sadik,

just because you, a person who isn't at all meant to be reached with this comercial, think of it as not being ambiguous, doesn't make it so. Newsflash: The world - and especially so Amarr - doesn't revolve around you and what you think. The Empire doesn't want to run your house. The ad is an ad and not a declaration of political intent. It's meant to draw people into the militia - and by people capsuleers are meant. It's really not about how to reinstate Amarr's glory or how to reclaim the Minmatar. It's main point is to get capsuleers to sign up - just as with any recruitment ad.

Which is why it's silly to try to deduce military strategems or a political will from it. And you just make a fool out of yourself by doing so. You overstreched these little commercial so far that what you've got is so thin that it amounts to nothing.

You claim that I want it to be ambiguous - I can claim equally, that you want it to be unambiguos. You want it to mean exactly what you were interpreting it to mean in the first place. After all, your arguments hinge on that.

Mr. Galente,

of course I see that part of meaning of 'reclaim'. In stark contrast to you I'm able to put it into the context of Amarrian thought, that is thought that is neither materialistic, nor consumerism- or profit-driven. Reclaiming isn't about getting something back for the Empire, but for God.

And please don't claim that still, after how many hundred years of the rebellion, it's the Amarr responsible for the problems the Republic faces today. But then, of course you Gallente want to see the Matari as oppressed victims in need of you helping hands, no? Anyway, it doesn't matter in regards to the recruitment ad. Whether it's true or not doesn't make a difference - it's the massage of the ad: The Matari aren't fit to solve their problems, we have to do it! By the way a massage you Gallente give out for free as well.

Regards,
N. Mithra

P.S.: The main goal of any militia is giving an outlet for the tensions. None of it is really a war. Wake up: You're not really at war! All this is more alike to wargames between capsuleers. It's a bit of flexing of muscles, giving the appearance of war for the dumb masses. Panem et circenses. Give guys like you an outlet for their frustration, Cpt. Sadik.

Oh, well. And there I thought you liked me? Out of arguments, Cpt. Sadik?

Well, that is because you're taking a too narrow approach. You think that because slavery is a form of reclaiming, that all reclaiming is slavery. That isn't true though, just as much as all ducks are birds, but not all birds are ducks.

The idea that reclaiming is equal to enslavement can probably be derived from Scripture. One would have to put some effort into it, though, something you've obviously been willing to do. The claim that this is the only viable interpretation is kind'a pretentious, though. As well as the claim that's the intended meaning of the scriptures.

The meaning of Reclaiming always has been more than enslavement of other people. That there isn't any evidence for that in your world, is not my failing, though, but yours. You personally think that one equates to the other, but that isn't the case at all.

And indeed, I don't need you heathen to interpret Scripture for me. Thank you very much.

P.S.: To show that one can interpret Scripture in a way that it equates reclaiming and enslavement, is not necessitating, by the way, logically or in any other way that one and the other need to be or are meant to be used as having the identical meaning. Thus, I don't accept your arguments, as they are all postulate such a necessity.

P.P.S.: And no, I didn't inform you that when all available evidence points in one direction, it's silly to claim that this is likely the case. I did tell you that it's silly that you claim to have considered all available evidence. You clearly did not.

Since when is slavery considered 'needless suffering' in the Empire?

Heresy.





I know right? I once reclaimed some coins from under a couch. One was a rare first issue Kazerius. Totally made my day.



Are you better at interpreting scripture than the Theology Council or the Empress?

Heresy.

I think three words suffice here: It is not. Or more elaborately: Slavery by itself isn't, but some slavemasters may on occasion use the whip when other methods would yield better results.

Oh, I didn't know Cpt. Sadik was part of the Theology Council. Wait, he isn't. Hmn.

This seems little more than two sides of an argument yelling at a solid brick wall that stands between them.

Both sides are yelling their opinion and giving little consideration to the understanding and personal beliefs of the other side, thus being satisfied that they are right and can continue on with pure justification.

Honestly, are some of you really struggling to sleep well at night without this exercise in futility?

I wasn't talking to Arkady. I was talking about your heresy.

Despite your position, you have not provided us with any content or examples thus far concerning aspects of reclaiming not involving slavery. Do you intend to? I have given more examples of such than you already. If you like, perhaps we could get together and have a scripture reading together, to help better form your argument.