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'Event Horizon Lounge'? What the heck CCP!?
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Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-05-21 20:42:21 UTC
Got to love the typical GD posts in this thread.
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#22 - 2013-05-21 21:00:49 UTC
What do want? WiS!
When do we want it? NOW!

[u]Can't wait untill when Eve online is Freemium.[/u] WiS only 10$, SP booster for one month 15$, DPS Boost 2$, EHP Boost 2$ Real money trading hub! Cosmeitic ship skins 15$ --> If you don't [u]pay **[/u]for a product, you ARE the [u]**product[/u].

Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#23 - 2013-05-21 21:02:17 UTC
When I first saw a video of the event horizon lounge I thought "Maybe they will finally give us more than CQ, since it looks like the assets have been developed". But no, we got nothing. Im lead to understand that the avatar engine used by eve is quite different than the one used by dust, and moving stuff between them is a development effort.

Apparently there is still quite a bit of development effort to get multiple avatars in one place at one time. For example with CQ the server never needs to be bothered with knowing your movements, its all handled in the client. But with multiple people the server now needs to know how each avatar is moving so it can deal with interactions. Also there needs to be a goodly flow of information between the server and all the clients. Avatar descriptions, clothing, movement, and so on. Consider how long it takes to get a full view of someone from their character portrait. That long a delay would be unacceptable to have whenever someone walked into the room. Apparently the code does not exist in a useable form for the eve avatar engine to do all this.

At Fanfest Hilmar asked if the crowd wanted the door opened, twice, and got a good cheer each time. He said "maybe we will talk about it next year". Well I hope what gets talked about is the results of the winter expansion that opened the door. There is quite a bit of interest in new stuff to do in eve with our avatars.

Also, CCP is hiring more people now. So maybe the manpower to do the work will also be available.

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Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#24 - 2013-05-21 21:10:27 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
When I first saw a video of the event horizon lounge I thought "Maybe they will finally give us more than CQ, since it looks like the assets have been developed". But no, we got nothing. Im lead to understand that the avatar engine used by eve is quite different than the one used by dust, and moving stuff between them is a development effort.


3D work should port nicely, but the engines are totally different. Avatars, and multiple avatars on screen, are solved problems in the UNREAL engine (which DUST uses) long since.

Most of the issues around avatar gameplay and CARBON have been solved, or are being solved, by the WoD team. They had to fork CARBON to do it, so it's not just a matter of taking their work and plugging it back in--but then, code trees get forked all the time, as it were, and there are lots of nice tools available for merging changes back into the trunk. In the mean time, it's not really shocking that avatar gameplay is being developed for a property where it's the only gameplay.

I believe Hilmar, or someone senior, was quoted as saying that what we have in EVE is a "prototype," and their technology has advanced considerably beyond what we see. The only questions are whether they'll roll that work back into EVE, and, if so, when.

Given the reaction to Incarna-the-release, I don't think they'll do it before they're absolutely confident that they have something good.

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#25 - 2013-05-21 21:12:16 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Naomi Hale wrote:
Please ignore the following nerd-rage if you already know of or have posted about the 'Event Horizon Lounge'

I just decided to take a quick look at Playstation Home and found something called the 'Event Horizon Lounge' and was surprised to see it's a Dust/Eve themed bar on a space station featuring scenic views, info screens (with live twitter feed) and the strategy table top game shown at fanfest for Incarna.

Did you guys make this? And if so why are PS3 users, who may not even play Eve or Dust, getting it when we still only have a captain's quarters? I'd like to sit in a bar and interact with other station guests, play the strategy game while waiting for corp mates and fleet members or waste my time getting drunk and trying to chat up the bartender. I imagine Dust players would also like that level of interaction.

I swear if this is something that ends up being part of that ten year vets only station club then you guys are in for a long and annoying nerd rant! (besides the mini rant above)

So to sum up... What The Hell?!?!



Go play Second Life then, EVE is not for you.



Go to another forum, this one is not for you.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#26 - 2013-05-21 21:24:55 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Naomi Hale wrote:
Please ignore the following nerd-rage if you already know of or have posted about the 'Event Horizon Lounge'

I just decided to take a quick look at Playstation Home and found something called the 'Event Horizon Lounge' and was surprised to see it's a Dust/Eve themed bar on a space station featuring scenic views, info screens (with live twitter feed) and the strategy table top game shown at fanfest for Incarna.

Did you guys make this? And if so why are PS3 users, who may not even play Eve or Dust, getting it when we still only have a captain's quarters? I'd like to sit in a bar and interact with other station guests, play the strategy game while waiting for corp mates and fleet members or waste my time getting drunk and trying to chat up the bartender. I imagine Dust players would also like that level of interaction.

I swear if this is something that ends up being part of that ten year vets only station club then you guys are in for a long and annoying nerd rant! (besides the mini rant above)

So to sum up... What The Hell?!?!



Go play Second Life then, EVE is not for you.



Go to another forum, this one is not for you.


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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#27 - 2013-05-21 21:40:18 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Naomi Hale wrote:
Please ignore the following nerd-rage if you already know of or have posted about the 'Event Horizon Lounge'

I just decided to take a quick look at Playstation Home and found something called the 'Event Horizon Lounge' and was surprised to see it's a Dust/Eve themed bar on a space station featuring scenic views, info screens (with live twitter feed) and the strategy table top game shown at fanfest for Incarna.

Did you guys make this? And if so why are PS3 users, who may not even play Eve or Dust, getting it when we still only have a captain's quarters? I'd like to sit in a bar and interact with other station guests, play the strategy game while waiting for corp mates and fleet members or waste my time getting drunk and trying to chat up the bartender. I imagine Dust players would also like that level of interaction.

I swear if this is something that ends up being part of that ten year vets only station club then you guys are in for a long and annoying nerd rant! (besides the mini rant above)

So to sum up... What The Hell?!?!



Go play Second Life then, EVE is not for you.



Go to another forum, this one is not for you.


See my Bio.




I see it, but you don't appear to have filled it in yet.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Ripblade Falconpunch
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-05-21 23:03:31 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Yes, I'm one of those people who wants to have my character emote to other characters in shared spaces.



Second Life and Pixel Barbies is that way ------->

Don't let the stupid looking new launcher hit you in the ass on your way out.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#29 - 2013-05-21 23:09:06 UTC
Ripblade Falconpunch wrote:
Second Life and Pixel Barbies is that way ------->


Well for people like you, space invaders is that way too. Go play your silly pew pew spaceships game, I'm looking for a complete sci fi virtual world.

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Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-05-21 23:15:46 UTC

I think player lounges would be fun provided that :

1. Not much resources are spent on it.
2. It doesn't try to crowd out "Eve the spaceship game" which is the only important part of Eve
3. It be marketed as a buff to existing Eve roleplayers, rather than an invitation to WoW players
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-05-21 23:16:33 UTC
Ripblade Falconpunch wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
Yes, I'm one of those people who wants to have my character emote to other characters in shared spaces.



Second Life and Pixel Barbies is that way ------->

Don't let the stupid looking new launcher hit you in the ass on your way out.

I bet you watch poarn movies then whine about the plot.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Ripblade Falconpunch
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-05-21 23:21:01 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Ripblade Falconpunch wrote:
Second Life and Pixel Barbies is that way ------->


Well for people like you, space invaders is that way too. Go play your silly pew pew spaceships game, I'm looking for a complete sci fi virtual world.


Like I said....

Second Life is that way ------>

Thanks for making my point. You aint getting it here. Not now, not ever.
Ripblade Falconpunch
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-05-21 23:23:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Ripblade Falconpunch
Alexa Coates wrote:
I bet you watch poarn movies then whine about the plot.


Only when the "actors" look like your avatar.......

But no, seriously. I never complain about poarnoz.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#34 - 2013-05-21 23:28:39 UTC
Ripblade Falconpunch wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
Ripblade Falconpunch wrote:
Second Life and Pixel Barbies is that way ------->


Well for people like you, space invaders is that way too. Go play your silly pew pew spaceships game, I'm looking for a complete sci fi virtual world.


Like I said....

Second Life is that way ------>

Thanks for making my point. You aint getting it here. Not now, not ever.


We already have orbital bombardment, and ground troops that outnumber capsuleers 3:1, and CCP Unifex is starting up CCPs mobile division. What does any of that have to do with pew pew spaceships? Not much, when you come to think about it. But then the State War Academy doesn't really have much say in the future direction of CCP or EVE Online, does it?

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Drachiel
Mercury LLC
#35 - 2013-05-22 09:15:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Drachiel
Naomi Hale wrote:
mechtech wrote:
CCP simply can't touch Incarna for Eve for a few more years. The press and player backlash from that event really hurt CCP.

I agree though, a nice station lounge with a corp meeting room and perhaps some gaming tables would be quite nice for fostering social interaction and improving the new player experience without demanding too much development effort.

Incarna doesn't need active gameplay... tying in gameplay to incarna just hurts the core game. The original idea of Incarna being a social hub is just fine, the problem was just that Incarna existed as a single-player closet..

Because of the nature of the Carbon framework, we can expect to see a similar feature some time down the line, once the Incarna name is less toxic (or maybe they'll scrap the name "Incarna" and call it something else).


Is Incarna toxic? I always had the impression it was monocle-gate that was the real complaint and that was geared more toward the 'real money for virtual goods' side of things. Would the players have reacted less outraged if it was £60 for a shiny addition to a ship over a monocle for an avatar?


You're right.

Incarna-haters bandwagoned the actual issue so they could issue smug "told you so"s on the forums. Microtransactions in a subscription game is and was the problem. That said I think Incarna was an underwhelming release that needed to do more for ships in space, because rebalancing is just changing numbers and the game sorely needed it.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#36 - 2013-05-22 10:04:57 UTC
I'll say the same thing I always say in WiS threads. CCP need to put some development time into it. I'm convinced it would make a massive difference to player numbers amongst other things. But when it's done it needs to accommodate to everyone's needs. If they're going to start, they should start with their exploration prototype which is high content, everyone friendly. PvE, PvP, Exploration, puzzles, and connected to the Eve universe in a meaningful way. If you want it, support the old Team Avatar's prototype thread

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=161511

As a side note, I want to see player lounges eventually. I just don't want to see CCP release them first and have the bitter dicks (I won't honour them with the name 'vets') throw a hissy fit because their "exclusively spaceships" game (if they believe that they had better pull their heads out of their asses) has been tampered with.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Nessa Aldeen
First Among Equals
#37 - 2013-05-22 11:15:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Nessa Aldeen
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
If you think CCP is going to invest any more money than it's contractually obliged (Dust, Play station, Lounge) before Star Citizen is released your insane. CCP will of course keep the money train that is EVE on the rails to farm it till the last second but new game content such as walking in stations is nothing more than a pipe dream.

Eve is a cash cow on it's last legs, why do you think all these plex deals occur and now a total neglect to enforcing bans on botting? Zero investment is taking place and the policy is cash, cash, cash for the time being. Maybe Star Citizen will flop but CCP is not going to bet on that by investing in EVE before it's clear.



Yes, it's true EVE is dying because your assessment is very accurate. Since EVE on it's last legs, do you mind contracting all your stuff when you leave for Star Citizen or .insert some other crap game.?
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-05-22 11:41:49 UTC
Wow that is surprising!

My door is still locked, perhaps i need a sony keycard to get out and enjoy the view.

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
0Lona 0ltor
Adeptio Gloriae
#39 - 2013-05-22 11:46:53 UTC  |  Edited by: 0Lona 0ltor
Sure EVE is totally healthy that's why CCP punted 1/2 the dev team last year... What new content has eve had in the last year except dust integration which it was contract bound to do with Sony? Let me answer that for you, nothing more than skins for ships and a few minor balances which were designed to nerf unwanted PVP and too keep subscriptions up, woopde doo because ship skins & ship tweaks are million dollar investments? Eve is being manned by a skeleton crew who push out just enought content to keep the train rolling. CCP announces that account log ins are up but what they fail to announce is that they are just letting botting and ISO boxing fly like never before.

I'm not flaming CCP for this because it's the owners decesion not all the Devs have a say. If I had a 10 year old product with a dated UI & engine I'd not be in any hurry to throw money into it while over my shoulder a new space shooter & space MOMPG is getting beta released this year. I'd wait to see how much player base jumps ship & to see the threat Star Citizen is going to pose. CCP are going to be even more cautious about development in light of the two crushing failures that is DUST & there vampire WOW clone.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#40 - 2013-05-22 11:59:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Naomi Hale wrote:
I'm mad because I'm paying to play a game and the money is going to provide PS3 users something for free that EVE Players were supposed to get.
Ooook… you're paying to play a game and that service is being delivered to you. So what are you mad about? How CCP chooses to spend its petty cash? It's a two year old E3 promo slapped together to provide some hype connected to the Sony keynote where Dust was introduced to the world.

It's cheap marketing. It's not something that's even remotely connected to EVE and what EVE players are “supposed to get”.

0Lona 0ltor wrote:
If you think CCP is going to invest any more money than it's contractually obliged (Dust, Play station, Lounge) before Star Citizen is released your insane. CCP will of course keep the money train that is EVE on the rails to farm it till the last second but new game content such as walking in stations is nothing more than a pipe dream.

Eve is a cash cow on it's last legs, why do you think all these plex deals occur and now a total neglect to enforcing bans on botting? Zero investment is taking place and the policy is cash, cash, cash for the time being. Maybe Star Citizen will flop but CCP is not going to bet on that by investing in EVE before it's clear.
People keep talking about Star Citizen as if it were in any way comparable to EVE. It isn't. The reason WiS was scaled back was because the players managed to get through CCP's thick skulls that they're spreading themselves too thin and that the core audience of EVE is one that wants spaceships. That's why the new game content for EVE is geared towards spaceships, with a far distant promise to fork that part of CARBON back in when it's actually ready rather than treat EVE as a pre-alpha testbed.

The PLEX deals are the same as ever, and botting bans have been handed out more vigorously in the last couple of months than for a long time. Something that is showing continuous growth (aside from a short spite of massive mismanagement) is not “on its last legs” unless you're privy to some spectacular inside information about Enron-class fraud going on in the depths of the Reykjavik office…

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Sure EVE is totally healthy that's why CCP punted 1/2 the dev team last year...
…and made sure that EVE was hit far less than the teams working on WoD. Since then, we've seen a pretty major upgrade to the server code; a long-term project to revamp every ship in the game; a long-term project to revamp the entire political arena; a long-term project to update the UI to modern standards; a mid-term project to update the graphics engine; new mechanics being added to the game — all hallmarks of product that's not meant to last waitwhat?!
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