Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Your use of capitalization intrigues me.

This is an interesting concept really. I"m pretty sure if you split high sec up using low sec your going to have more robust market hubs in the various regions, so less people in jita. Jump freighters will be the latest rage in fashion. Prices will necessarily rise as the cost of moving goods between one region and the next will go up. Regional traders will become much more in demand and so therefor much more profitable to be one. Pirates between regions will become a semi profitable profession as they bite into good laden transport ships. I'm still up on the fence on rather its a good idea or a bad idea but its worth the debate at least.

My 2 Cents

awesome idea would make sense, to make this right ccp needs to make more routes between the empires.

catch my viator *****!

Of course if you're alone, then with their tank and larget fitting capacity, they could probably make it back to the gate to jump back or maybe even some ECM. If you're not alone, then someone should have managed to scout.

In any case, that's beside the point. There should not be any 100% safe way to travel between places, but there are measures to take to mitigate that risk.

Flying through low sec is not 100% chance of death either.

I love the idea!!!! +1

Actually it could be taken further. Get rid of security status. Use empire standings as security status and reduce/increase empire standings by actions that reduce/increase sec status. Give concord powers to respectivve factions and disband concord.

This way it should be possible for example to be an outlaw in amarr space but a beloved citizen in minmatar space.

Oh the possibilities!

personally, I am not sure why empires were not separated by low-sec in the first place, I mean, it has ton of pros and very few (bad) cons:
- pros:
- adds extra dynamic into trade - basically moving resources and goods across empires becomes more interesting and potentially quite lucrative
- if trade goes over low sec, it creates good opportunity for proper piracy
- piracy in trade pipes also gives option of anti-piracy as activity, to hauler support fleets and similar => more pvp; we need more meaninful pvp and 'bad guy vs good guy' differentiation
- lore friendly / realistic (especially when you count empires in open hostility)
- possibility to integrate FW, DUST, whatever into this - if you can capture enough systems, you can make them high-sec temporary mechanic or something similar might be quite interesting

- cons:
- possibility to totally break trade between empires by just putting big bad fleet on the gate
- easily resolved by having many pipes between empires (should be at least 10 between each 2 empires, perhaps > 25), so that camping single gate is not a way to choke down everything
- noob traders explode
- is this really bad thing? :)
- no one trades between empires
- don't think this would be a problem, especially if resource distribution is such to favor transferring goods and resources between them (for example ore A in amaar >> ore A in caldari): I think it already exists, but not sure
- less trade => more profit for trade => more traders - things should balance out themselves
- people have hard time traveling between empires
- with enough low sec pipes, it should not be a problem, besides bit of low sec is not that bad. And if you want ot transfer that 8-zillion ISK mission ship between empires, well... keep your bloody eyes open, get a scout, hire hauling corp or whatever... if you die, your own fault - low sec is not THAT dangerous
- also we need to tone down that horrible fear and aversion people have of low-sec and I think that being sent through low-sec in cheap ships by starter missions for sisters epic arc and tutorial agents would actually be good for new players - the sooner one gets over 'boo boo I die instantly in low-sec' the better
- everyone just uses jump freighters and entire thing is ignored as concept
- personally, I think things would quickly devolve into this. Don't have solution for it either except for well... NERF JUMP FREIGHTERS!!!!111 ; no, really, i think that introduction of instant travel to EVE was one of dumbest decisions made by devs like... ever; doubt it will be going away either though, so perhaps, hm... ban them from high sec? sure you can do jf -> regular freighter -> go to high sec, but at least it requires some logistics. Or... increase fuel costs for them like 1000%? at least you will think what to haul with it then... but I am rambling, it is different topic anyway

I still don't get it. You can already kill people in HiSec now, you don't need LoSec space just to blap people going from empire to empire. The game is working as intended.

What you fail to understand is, some people just don't like LoSec and making these changes isn't going to change that fact at all. You will alienate a portion of the player base and these people will probably quit the game which means less targets for you, not more.

I know you will never comprehend this fact but hopefully it gets through to somebody.

Repeated accusations that people advocating for this don't understand your perspective (when they have demonstrated that they do and it is flawed) only suggests that you don't understand it yourself.

I do understand that some people don't like lowsec, the problem is often is not with lowsec itself however, but with those players perception of it. Giving them more reason to interact with it would help get rid of this unreasonable fear for some players.

And yes, you can already kill people in HiSec, which has nothing to do with this. Congrats, you made a point. It's an irrelevant point, but I guess that's still an accomplishment.

Also, the game has been "working as intended" lots of times, and has also been changed lots of times. I'm not whining to CCP and begging for a change, I'm discussing a proposed change in it's appropriate subforum so that (if they feel like it) CCP devs can come here and see some of the pros and cons that players have already considered for this idea.

This is a good idea but it would require balancing so their are more routes to take to avoid camps, also gate guns should not be removed instead maybe buffed to the point where it would not be viable to attack low value targets for fear an aggression timer would prevent you scoring a bigger catch.