EVE General Discussion

I think you'll find t2 ships and teirs also contributed to the opinion that specialised t1 ships suck.

For your information the new battlecruisers are on Sisi now, just not textured. Go and test them!

Throwing together a quick naga I got something like this.

well, I do understand that the stats weren't final, and tbh the web bonus let me a bit torn since I thought it was great and horrible at the same time.

great because of blasters, horrible because it would displace and/or reduce the value of the serp ships.


that said however, I hope that the proposed blaster changes on the devblog aren't final, because if they go to game like that, the talos will have no reason to be used beyond disposable suicide gank platform.

But again, I think you are confusing a doctrine here mate.

At which point in the past did the 200km+ Apocs fit long points in their mids?

Although I am sure that some pilots will find a use fitting big, close range guns on these and glass cannoning them, the role bonii as they stand point them into providing a far more mobile, fleet sniper platform. Yes, the current state of the game has moved to close range fights in 0.0, however this has taken place due to the Battleship platform being terribly slow and easily pinned down by tackles.

Now there will be a ship class entirely designed around offering the benefits of Medium to Long Range combat, without the drawback of a tremendously immobile fleet.

Railgun tracking is at least gearing to place itself right near the top of the tree post patch. I have to say though, I am please they are looking at removing the drone bay. You could see the niche on paper and the Talos stood out like a sore thumb, as the Moros always did previously with the dreads.

And to address the long point range scenario. All current weapon platforms on the Battleship variant sized weapon have in or around the long point range as the falloff point for the short range weapons. If that is where you wish your ship to operate, then that would be the gun you would clearly use, even utilising the longest range ammunition, you still have a significant benefit in tracking, damage multiplier and so forth. I feel that statement is less a drawback of the Railgun system and more a misuse of it on the Large Hybrid platform.

Tracking and Rail Range:

If you are in a small gang situation, and set up to try and use rails inside point range, you are doing it wrong. These boats are meant to operate outside of point range, not slug it out at point blank. They do NOT have the tank for this, range control and warping out when necessary are their defense.


Rail Damage:

If you are operating at medium range and all you have with you is long range ammo, you are doing it wrong. Especially after the rail and ammo buffs medium and short range rail ammo does acceptable damage. Remember, what is long range to most is well within range of your shorter range, higher damage ammo. This is an advantage often overlooked.

Transversal:

If you are having issues tracking a target at medium range and haven't learned how to manually pilot your ship to compensate, you are doing it wrong. Stop orbiting.

This was written in haste, and isn't intended to be nearly as terse as it probably sounds.

I do agree that with the Naga they would be better served to make a choice between bonusing rails or missiles, not both.

After seeing the direction of the changes so far, and reading the ridiculous dev comment regarding the naga, my confidence is pretty low that you guys will actually get it right. Right, in this case, meaning balanced and having a purpose.

@ CCP: forgive my squirly ignorance, but how exactly would it be bad if every one of the new BCs performed exactly the same way? Same optimal ranges and falloffs, same DPS, everything the same but the skills? When you see one in space, is "being laughed at" a role?

You don't look at HICs and say "oh my, they all have thick tanks, slow speeds, and the same size bubbles... they are competing with eachother! Quick, make one useless!" Why are you trying to do this with the new BCs?

No, I'm not saying make them exactly the same as eachother, what I'm saying is that if they were all exactly the same, so the hell what?

Additional Drones has made an improvement - in snipe mode, warriors or ecm drones would be a good reason to choose it other the others. Though at this point it's hard to see the Talos functioning with blasters without an increase in grid (EHP)

As for the Naga, I'm just happy that the Caldari have finally got a decent hybrid boat, I hope similar bonuses are replicated on the Rokh.

Lock-time.

This just in: the racial variants of ships in the same class excel at different things. More at 11.