Science & Industry

is it just me or does it seem like there is going to be a massive Liquid ozone shortage with the new changes? From what i can find there are approx 145 ice belts currently in high sec each getting 2500 blocks each respawning every 4 hours. So basicly if i am understanding what the devs are saying each ice belt will become an ice anom so 145x 2500x 25lo= a little over 9 mil liquid ozone. now if it is minned like clockwork in all of high sec 5 times a day you get what 45 mil lo? At that rate if they are mined out at that rate they can only supply enough ozone to fuel 10 large pos's a day. I mean correct me if i am wrong but it seems like lo will fing skyrocket after the new expansion and after the glut of liquid ozone

yes but the most lo will be from null sec and they have alot of pos to fuel themselves. idk it just seems like there will be a large shortage with the new changes.

i guess i should have put it as there will be a shortage. Yes null sec will have a large supply of lo but it is a matter of how much will be exported and how much will be used down there to keep the prices down. IDK how things will turn out but either way i think we are looking at seeing a large increase in the price of LO compared to what we are used too.

Im currently not having much of a problem at all acquiring the said goods at very good looking prices, as a matter of fact, Id like not to, but I admit to being a packrat and for unknown reasons to myself I tend to hoard a few items here and there, Liquid Ozone was one of them =(

I have so much of the stuff that I have several massive containers in different regions Just sitting, completely filled up because, the stuff is not the lightest of goods.

I usto do the same thing with Trit, but I didn't hesitate to liquidate ALL of it, other then a few hundred million ISK worth at my manufacture base of operation atm.

On a side note, Im still getting mines at around 60% below Jita price, and its still coming in.

Perhaps, il move most of my overstock to Jita for your buy orders if you wish.

If there are true shortages, then the value goes up. When the value goes up, the incentive to obtain it goes up.

And if the cost ever gets truely too high, then ccp will tweak it.

Right now I'd imagine there is such a huge surplus of liquid ozone in the game, it won't be an issue. Prices, however, will rise and fail due to market speculation.

will nerver happen. CCP know people can mine ice in 0.0 if they dont it's only theu fault of capsuler end of the line they will not up the quantity of ice anomalies in hight sec

From what I have read about comments from developers on Twitter high sec uses less than 5% of the overall ICE consumed in EVE. Acording to the developer blog high sec will be capable of providing up to 80% of the ICE consumed. So high sec supplying 80% while consuming less than 5% seems more than fair.

However I do see where you are coming from. Since High sec ICE is mostly racial isotopes that 80% is likely isotopes not LO. If high sec could supply 80% of the LO consumed it would be supplying 400% of the racial isotopes. Some thing is not adding up here. There are far more active POSes in low and null than in high sec. Plus you have ICE products being consumed by jump bridges, and capital ships. The only need for ICE in high sec is fueling POSes and 60% of the high sec POSes were offline before the prices went up. I expect there are even less online now.

I expect if the developers shared the numbers on Liquid Ozone we would see far less than 80% of it comes from high sec now. High sec ICE is not a good source for LO. 25 units per block. Dark Glitter has 1000 units per block. All this means is null sec empires will be much better off harvesting local ICE rather than relying on importing ICE products from high sec. The more null sec relies on the high sec market the higher the prices will get. those who rely on local supply will have a significant advantage over those who import everything from high sec. I believe this is a good thing.

Had a snappy reply ready, decided not to troll the troll. Meh.

There won't be a shortage.

High prices (atm) are a result of speculations going on about the aftermath of the patch but people will pick up and produce as much as they did until now.

What may influence the prices to stay high will be the difficulty how bots and other individuals with a high ice mining output will organise around shifting space locations and anomaly spawns since you can't use bookmarks anymore if an anomaly is depleted.

On the other hand even if the prices rise above the current values then it will result in a higher amount of people starting to mine ice as it is far more profitable. In comparison to missions for instance.

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I need to correct myself, after reading http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/resource-shakeup-blog/ .



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So yes, the shortage will come definitely! since highsec can only produce 80% of the games total ice consumption. This value will drop if more and more people move to low or even zero/true sec thus high sec can atm do the 80% but in one year it maybe 75% or less...

Or mining bots cannot mine since there's scanning involved.