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Effectively Spreading EWAR: How To
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Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#1 - 2013-05-20 01:43:46 UTC
I'm part of a small WH alliance that likes to engage out numbered and hit above our weight class. The amount of fun you can have engaging a fleet twice your size and coming out on top is pretty awesome. The way you can do this is with EWAR. Its a force multiplier and can turn the tide of battle very quickly if used properly.

I'm wondering if anyone has a good way to coordinate their ewar pilots so that you spread your ewar more then just the primary and a few other ships? Currently I expect my ecm pilots to jam out high dps ships or logi. I expect my damp pilots to go after the kity ships. But if I have more then 1 ecm or arazu in fleet they ecm/damp most of the same ships.

After the patch with new shortcuts to tagging this may become a lot easier. Does anyone have a better way to coordinate ewar in a fleet then to use tags?

Blue-Fire Best Fire
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#2 - 2013-05-20 02:44:22 UTC
Standard thing to do is to have people put EWAR based on alphabetical order. That depends on your numbers and the ships on the field. But for example my name starts with S so i'll jam out another S pilot of relevance to my EWAR class.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#3 - 2013-05-20 03:35:48 UTC
Depends.

Do the enemy have Logi and Ewar?
If they do then that's what your Ewar should be concentrating on.
I let Logi numbers decide how to deal with it.

Say they have 3 Logi.
All jams go on 1st two logis while you shoot 3rd.

If they have Ewar - have a fast frigate or two in fleet to annoy them - these frigates should not follow the FC's target call - they stay on their job until it's done.
They enemy EWAR can't risk being tackled so 99% of the time they will resort to putting all jams on their single attacker.
This takes them out of the fight without having to try and kill them early - helpful if your fleet are not fit to project damage at distance.

Most people react in similar ways in similar situations - Just gotta assume normal human behavior and force that behavior to occur to your advantage.


Once Logi is down - just yell into comms "SPREAD THE JAM"

And if all goes well a min later you'll be yelling "SPREAD POINTS"

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Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#4 - 2013-05-20 06:21:15 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Depends.

Do the enemy have Logi and Ewar?
If they do then that's what your Ewar should be concentrating on.
I let Logi numbers decide how to deal with it.

Say they have 3 Logi.
All jams go on 1st two logis while you shoot 3rd.

If they have Ewar - have a fast frigate or two in fleet to annoy them - these frigates should not follow the FC's target call - they stay on their job until it's done.
They enemy EWAR can't risk being tackled so 99% of the time they will resort to putting all jams on their single attacker.
This takes them out of the fight without having to try and kill them early - helpful if your fleet are not fit to project damage at distance.



Yes Ewar is awesome and fucks with there fleet a lot. Now how to spread it evenly so you don't have 3 falcons jamming the same guys...

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Standard thing to do is to have people put EWAR based on alphabetical order. That depends on your numbers and the ships on the field. But for example my name starts with S so i'll jam out another S pilot of relevance to my EWAR class.


This sounds feasible until you get in the heat of battle. Trying to decide what targets to ewar then alphabetize them and find them in your overview list? There must be a simpler way!

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Theroine
Pew Pew Pirates
#5 - 2013-05-20 06:55:30 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
This sounds feasible until you get in the heat of battle. Trying to decide what targets to ewar then alphabetize them and find them in your overview list? There must be a simpler way!


  • Create an overview profile to show only logi and e-war.
  • Have your ewar pilots in their own convo chat.
  • Engage targets and see what works and what doesn't

Join in on the pew
Cory Braum
Dark Circle Enforcement
#6 - 2013-05-20 07:22:11 UTC
A Simple and effective way to have multiple ECM spread jams is to fit each ECM ship with a full spread of one type of racial ECM. So Blackbird A fits all caldari ECM and jam's all caldari ships, Blackbird B fits all Amarr ECM and jams all amarr, Blackbird C jams all Gallanta . and then target caller can focus calling minmatar targets first. or any variation

This allows your ECM to work independent and not have to worry about primaries at all( they already have enough to worry about) and wont cross jams at the start of the fight
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#7 - 2013-05-20 10:29:51 UTC
depends on situation and how much you have time to prepare attack, but there is some methods to point out targets for different ewar ships by using tags.

Those are not so simple to use but if you want to really focus using ewar you can use "ewar fc" to tag people on fight, more the fight last more those will help. in short fight those may be waste of rime.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#8 - 2013-05-20 14:09:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
Theroine wrote:
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
This sounds feasible until you get in the heat of battle. Trying to decide what targets to ewar then alphabetize them and find them in your overview list? There must be a simpler way!


  • Create an overview profile to show only logi and e-war.
  • Have your ewar pilots in their own convo chat.
  • Engage targets and see what works and what doesn't




IMO having ewar (esp ecm) in thier own convo chat is really the best.

They are not really trying to follow the primarys of the fc anyway. It has been a long time since I was in an ewar heavy fleet and we used to use eve-voice for the ewar pilots. I am actually not even sure if eve-voice is still available. Whatever you do just make sure the talk button is different than it is for your regular fleet coms.

Other people have tried having one ewar ship be all gallente jammers and another all minmatar etc. I never really liked that idea much but it may work for you.

edit: I see Cory Braum already gave this last point.

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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#9 - 2013-05-20 15:23:43 UTC
I typically fit my Falcon with 6 jammers. 2 Caldari, 2 Minmatar, 1 Gallente, 1 Amarr. Race heavy. (More or less.)

Similar to what Cory suggested, you could have 1 pilot fit 3 and 3, while the other pilot fits a different 3 and 3.
Or 2/2/2 multispecs. This would give some natural separation for the pilots with no communication needed.

If you fly with the same crew a lot, you should get used to letting them talk and call jam targets among themselves.
I like to hear what they are jamming anyway.

Logi should always be primary imo, so double jamming them is not necessarily a bad thing, in case you miss a cycle.

I have also flown Drake/Cane fleets with all ECM Drones. Same concept, don't jam the primary, spread the ecm out. Sometimes we would take on an equal or larger fleet and kill them all with zero losses.
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#10 - 2013-05-21 09:22:35 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
I'm part of a small WH alliance that likes to engage out numbered and hit above our weight class. The amount of fun you can have engaging a fleet twice your size and coming out on top is pretty awesome. The way you can do this is with EWAR. Its a force multiplier and can turn the tide of battle very quickly if used properly.

I'm wondering if anyone has a good way to coordinate their ewar pilots so that you spread your ewar more then just the primary and a few other ships? Currently I expect my ecm pilots to jam out high dps ships or logi. I expect my damp pilots to go after the kity ships. But if I have more then 1 ecm or arazu in fleet they ecm/damp most of the same ships.

After the patch with new shortcuts to tagging this may become a lot easier. Does anyone have a better way to coordinate ewar in a fleet then to use tags?


Well...

What I normally do is have the ECM pilots set up an overview tab with just "high priority" ships for them. Logis, enemy Ewar/recons, high dps ships. if you're expecting a big fight you can use multiple tabs for different ship classes so they can change quickly.

Normally they're asked to jam force multipliers first with logi's being the highest priority. To spread jams they use a letter of the alphabet. Leave it to the ECM pilots to get themselves into a private chat and assign a letter to everyone as s starting point. For example, if you have 5 logi pilots, you might assign them the letters A, F, K, P and U

Then, when they're ordered to jam a ship class, say logi's, then they'll sort by name and lock up as many enemy logi pilots as they can starting with the pilot whose name starts with the same letter of the alphabet they were assigned. If there isn't one then start locking with the next "higher" letter, wrapping around from Z to A until yo've locked maximum targets.

If you start locking in alphabetical order like this and everyone starts with a different letter then you generally get a good spread of jams by everyone simply jamming them in the order in which they were locked. If one goes down then you put that jammer on the next one and and so on, and because you may have enough jammers to jam some of the logi's more than once from multiple ships your jams will generally hold for a while even if you lose some ECM.

For the FC, you also know that stripping off enemy logi is probably best done if you sort in reverse order from Z to A. the reason being that you know that logi was jammed from A to Z so if there is one that isn't jammed he's probably the one with the highest letter name. That's the one who won't get reps and the one can still give them so he has to go first.

It's not foolproof but it's easy to do in the heat of battle.
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#11 - 2013-05-21 10:49:19 UTC
I don't know how big your fleets are, but in smallscale you often just shout what you got pointet or damped.

Probably does not work that good with 15+ pilots strong fleets though.

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Khrysees
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-05-21 16:51:05 UTC
1- separate ECM chat
2- ECM FC
3- assign ECM pilots to PRIMARY, SECONDARY, TERTIARY... designations
a- ECM FC calls primary...PRIMARY ECM pilot jams primary target
b- ECM FC calls secondary...SECONDARY ECM pilot jams secondary target
c- and so on.....