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One skybox for one region? Too little
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Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#61 - 2011-11-04 12:10:36 UTC
Razin wrote:
Knoppaz wrote:
StarLite wrote:

lots of stuff



This totally makes sense. Distant (other region) nebula can be a backdrop, because they won't change no matter where you are within your actual region.
Rendering the nebula of the region you're actually in on top of that backdrop gives enough change so it feels like traveling within the region.

Let's hope that's really is what CCP has in mind..

That is what CCP had in mind but that is not what CCP implemented. Sounds familiar?

Anyway, to get all the relevant info all you have to do is read yesterday's dev blog on this subject and t0rfi's comments in the corresponding discussion thread.


To answer all of this boo hooing

CCP t0rfifrans wrote:

It actually changes between constellations, not systems, right now. But like stated in the blog, many constellations share the same nebula.

However, the concern for our choice of granularity has been noted, we won't make drastic changes to the system or the assets before the winter release, but this is obviously something many are concerned with and we'll examine what we can do. However, I encourage you to check it out on Singularity ( or TQ once it ships ) before making final judgements!

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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#62 - 2011-11-04 13:02:54 UTC
Large Collidable Object wrote:
Naive me - and I thought it would at least be per constellation (cba to find the post, but funny how people still thought it would be per system in that thread).


Constellations would be a far better choice as most constellations are generally comprised of stars that are all close to each other in the first place.

In some of the larger regions (Sinq Laison), the currently planned "1 skybox per region" is going to be especially bad and jarring as you leave the region.
Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#63 - 2011-11-04 13:13:27 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
Large Collidable Object wrote:
Naive me - and I thought it would at least be per constellation (cba to find the post, but funny how people still thought it would be per system in that thread).


Constellations would be a far better choice as most constellations are generally comprised of stars that are all close to each other in the first place.

In some of the larger regions (Sinq Laison), the currently planned "1 skybox per region" is going to be especially bad and jarring as you leave the region.


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read the above ret*rd

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Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#64 - 2011-11-04 13:34:49 UTC


CCP t0rfifrans wrote:

It actually changes between constellations, not systems, right now. But like stated in the blog, many constellations share the same nebula.

However, the concern for our choice of granularity has been noted, we won't make drastic changes to the system or the assets before the winter release, but this is obviously something many are concerned with and we'll examine what we can do. However, I encourage you to check it out on Singularity ( or TQ once it ships ) before making final judgements!

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Quote:

That means 68 unique backdrops.


There are 68 regions in the game, not 68 constellations.

Also, he was talking about the technical stuff of the cube map system. "But like stated in the blog, many constellations share the same nebula." means there will be the same cube map for all the constellations inside the same region.

I just HOPE it won't be another abandonware after the initial release and not get improved upon like SO MANY OTHER THINGS in EVE.
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#65 - 2011-11-04 13:36:25 UTC
Karl Planck wrote:


HURRR DURRR

read the above ret*rd


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Razin
The Scope
#66 - 2011-11-04 13:39:04 UTC
Karl Planck wrote:
Razin wrote:
Knoppaz wrote:
StarLite wrote:

lots of stuff



This totally makes sense. Distant (other region) nebula can be a backdrop, because they won't change no matter where you are within your actual region.
Rendering the nebula of the region you're actually in on top of that backdrop gives enough change so it feels like traveling within the region.

Let's hope that's really is what CCP has in mind..

That is what CCP had in mind but that is not what CCP implemented. Sounds familiar?

Anyway, to get all the relevant info all you have to do is read yesterday's dev blog on this subject and t0rfi's comments in the corresponding discussion thread.


To answer all of this boo hooing

CCP t0rfifrans wrote:

It actually changes between constellations, not systems, right now. But like stated in the blog, many constellations share the same nebula.

However, the concern for our choice of granularity has been noted, we won't make drastic changes to the system or the assets before the winter release, but this is obviously something many are concerned with and we'll examine what we can do. However, I encourage you to check it out on Singularity ( or TQ once it ships ) before making final judgements!


Right.

Currently on TQ the 'nebula' backdrop changes every time you travel between constellations.

The new nebula backdrop will change only when you travel between regions.

Could be better thought, since many regions are wrapped between each other in non-linear configurations and don't really conform to this simplistic approach. However, CCP.
Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#67 - 2011-11-04 13:52:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Karl Planck
Jodis Talvanen wrote:


CCP t0rfifrans wrote:

It actually changes between constellations, not systems, right now. But like stated in the blog, many constellations share the same nebula.

However, the concern for our choice of granularity has been noted, we won't make drastic changes to the system or the assets before the winter release, but this is obviously something many are concerned with and we'll examine what we can do. However, I encourage you to check it out on Singularity ( or TQ once it ships ) before making final judgements!



Quote:

That means 68 unique backdrops.

Jodis Talvanen wrote:

There are 68 regions in the game, not 68 constellations.

Also, he was talking about the technical stuff of the cube map system. "But like stated in the blog, many constellations share the same nebula." means there will be the same cube map for all the constellations inside the same region.

I just HOPE it won't be another abandonware after the initial release and not get improved upon like SO MANY OTHER THINGS in EVE.


Unique backdrops are conformed in cube maps. Think about what your suggesting. If there were static backgrounds for each region, then there would have to be more than 68 individual backgrounds to get the sense of space when leaving a region and approaching another. Since they have said there are 68 backdrops, it is only logical to conclude they are talking about 68 individual cube maps, with the background changing between constellations as different perspectives of the same nebula.

*Edit: OMG why are you doing this to me quoting code ><

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Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#68 - 2011-11-04 13:57:22 UTC
Karl Planck wrote:


Unique backdrops are conformed in cube maps. Think about what your suggesting. If there were static backgrounds for each region, then there would have to be more than 68 individual backgrounds to get the sense of space when leaving a region and approaching another. Since they have said there are 68 backdrops, it is only logical to conclude they are talking about 68 individual cube maps, with the background changing between constellations as different perspectives of the same nebula.



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Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#69 - 2011-11-04 14:00:52 UTC
Jodis Talvanen wrote:
Karl Planck wrote:


Unique backdrops are conformed in cube maps. Think about what your suggesting. If there were static backgrounds for each region, then there would have to be more than 68 individual backgrounds to get the sense of space when leaving a region and approaching another. Since they have said there are 68 backdrops, it is only logical to conclude they are talking about 68 individual cube maps, with the background changing between constellations as different perspectives of the same nebula.



WhatthefuckamIreading.jpg


damnit, i have been trolled

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Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#70 - 2011-11-04 14:01:44 UTC
Karl Planck wrote:

damnit, i have been trolled

No seriously, what the hell do you mean 68 cubemaps but more than 68 backgrounds
Knoppaz
distress signals
#71 - 2011-11-04 14:01:59 UTC
Only had little time to check, because Singularity came up shortly before my lunch-break was over, but it looks so much better than the old nebula. I really can't wait to fly around some more.. Big smile

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Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#72 - 2011-11-04 14:05:31 UTC
Jodis Talvanen wrote:
Karl Planck wrote:

damnit, i have been trolled

No seriously, what the hell do you mean 68 cubemaps but more than 68 backgrounds


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cube_mapping

with that, think about the fact that they said you can see as you leave one region and enter another. This cannot mean 68 backgrounds otherwise whole regions would be the link to other regions.

Gah, why I am at work, i need to get on sisi and check this out.

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Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#73 - 2011-11-04 14:09:26 UTC
Karl Planck wrote:
This cannot mean 68 backgrounds otherwise whole regions would be the link to other regions.



This is EXACTLY why this thread exists.

There IS only 68 backgrounds.
Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#74 - 2011-11-04 14:10:09 UTC
Jodis Talvanen wrote:
Karl Planck wrote:
This cannot mean 68 backgrounds otherwise whole regions would be the link to other regions.



This is EXACTLY why this thread exists.

There IS only 68 backgrounds.


lol i hate you so much right now

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Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#75 - 2011-11-04 14:13:00 UTC
Karl Planck wrote:
Jodis Talvanen wrote:
Karl Planck wrote:
This cannot mean 68 backgrounds otherwise whole regions would be the link to other regions.



This is EXACTLY why this thread exists.

There IS only 68 backgrounds.


lol i hate you so much right now

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Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#76 - 2011-11-04 14:13:28 UTC
here you go

CCP t0rfifrans wrote:
Barbelo Valentinian wrote:
Been looking forward to this for ages. Looking good. Except ...

I'm also disappointed by the region granularity. Previous communications from CCP made it seem as if the changes would be at least through solar systems, if not slight ones between individual star systems.

It means that contrary to our present circumstances where the backdrop does change from system to system, giving some sense of travel, now we won't have much of a sense of a difference between systems at all except for the suns.

This is obviously a big gain in terms of background beauty and versimilitude, but perhaps a loss in sense of movement between system and system?

It actually changes between constellations, not systems, right now. But like stated in the blog, many constellations share the same nebula.

The concern for our choice of granularity has been noted, we won't make drastic changes to the system or the assets before the winter release, but this is obviously something many are concerned with and we'll examine what we can do.

However, I encourage you to check it out on Singularity ( or TQ once it ships ) before making final judgements!


last response, I don't even care if your too stupid to get it.

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Razin
The Scope
#77 - 2011-11-04 14:16:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Razin
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:

It actually changes between constellations, not systems, right now. But like stated in the blog, many constellations share the same nebula.

He's talking about what's currently on TQ.

As opposed to what's on SISI, i.e. one background per region.

Edit: Here's a quote from the blog to make it clearer:
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:
Currently in EVE today, for non-wormhole systems (wormhole space will not be affected by these changes), there are 30 different nebula backgrounds in EVE and the system determines which one to display based on the constellation you are in. It‘s fairly random even if it is the same random every time per constellation. But dividing these 30 between the 786 constellations in known space, you may have the same background shown to you up north in Tenal and deep south in Stain. This will now change.
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#78 - 2011-11-04 14:27:59 UTC
Confirming in SISI there is only one (the same) background/backdrop/cubemap per region.

Changing constellation within the same region DO NOT change the background or ANYTHING.
Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#79 - 2011-11-04 14:32:17 UTC
Nemesis Factor wrote:
It was more about saving dev time. The art team has a huge backlog and there are a lot more important things to do. If they had spent time doing constellations instead of regions it would have taken FIVE TIMES longer to get the nebula done, and would have been five times larger a download. As it is they are only getting Gallente and Caldari ships V3'd if all goes well. Would you rather they spent more time on Nebulae or no new ship skins?


actually it wouldn't. because once the art team made the model all they have to do for each system level is leave a computer there crunching numbers for however long it takes. rendering per region vs per constellation vs per system is all a matter of how many CPU cores they want to throw at it for how long.


Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#80 - 2011-11-04 14:33:13 UTC
Jodis Talvanen wrote:
Confirming in SISI there is only one (the same) background/backdrop/cubemap per region.

Changing constellation within the same region DO NOT change the background or ANYTHING.


Posted three hours ago:

CCP Vertex wrote:
Just a reminder to everyone, we are watching this thread for feedback on the Nebulae once they are on the test server.

Let us know if you have any issues and please file a bug report here: https://bugs.eveonline.com/login.asp


sooo, not on the test server yet

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