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How can I take my exploration to the next level?
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#41 - 2013-05-20 22:38:48 UTC
OP, you may also give a serious look at the Myrmidon for what you're doing, if you're hesitant to cross train for the Pilgrim at this time.

It's smaller, faster, more agile, and much cheaper than your Domi, and since they're about to nerf (remove) the Domi's turret bonus, you may get similar results out of it anyway, since most things the Myrm is useful for will see you using flights of light and medium drones, but you still have 100 bandwidth and plenty of drone bay to field 4 sentries if that's your thing.

You will also be able to fit into the 4/10 DED plexes and do some C1 & C2 WH work, which is not impossible with a Myrm. If you have projectile skills, a dual rep cap stable build is not out of the question, but you can still stretch it pretty far even using hybrids.

What's better is that you should be able to penny pinch and build a whole ship, fitted and insured, for less than the average cost of the Domi hull, not including your drone layout.
Ayuren Aakiwa
Shadow Legion X
Seriously Suspicious
#42 - 2013-05-21 03:15:43 UTC
I've read none of this thread so my bad if this was said before....move your ass to guristas low sec and run "guristas troop reinvigoration camps" and nothing else. Spend all day looking for them and you will make a straight up stupid amount of isk. Your welcome.
Britta Nolen
Sama Guild
#43 - 2013-05-21 03:36:53 UTC
More like, stay out of FW areas if you want to only explore. They will hunt /probe you down if they don't already have the site bookmarked. Sov nullsec on the other hand, is ez mode. Apparently no one out there carries probes at all.
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#44 - 2013-05-21 06:16:55 UTC
Britta Nolen wrote:
More like, stay out of FW areas if you want to only explore. They will hunt /probe you down if they don't already have the site bookmarked. Sov nullsec on the other hand, is ez mode. Apparently no one out there carries probes at all.

I find it much easier to find sites in FW lowsec compared to dead regions like Molden Heath.

I have never scaned in 0.0 though. Do you have experience with Great Wildlands?

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#45 - 2013-05-21 09:38:20 UTC
For lowsec, go for an Ishtar. Agile and tough, can run all sites. Find a nice quiet area and go live there, hisec makes your balls shrink.

For wormholes, forget C1s, not much ISK in those. Domi will work wonderfully for C2s and C3s, you'll want your alt in a salvaging ship.

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Marianne Pollard
Doomheim
#46 - 2013-05-21 11:21:10 UTC
Fa Xian wrote:
I've recently moved my exploration from hi to low. I decided to try a FW area thinking that players there would have each other to mess with and won't bother or have time to come looking for my ship in signatures. This has turned out to be less successful than I had hoped - while I've had some decent success, I've now been caught three times, losing 2 Dominix and a Vexor.

I'd like to continue to do exploration, but I'm finding the losses here annoying. What can I do differently to enjoy exploration with less risk of loss?

Some questions / ideas;

1) I could do low level sleeper sites solo in a Dominix - retreat to hi to look for wormholes that would allow this? Never seen another player in a wormhole site before and have done half a dozen… would there be less chance of running into other players there?

2) I know it's unrealistic to think that I can avoid people in low completely. So, I'd be happy to get advice on how to escape an encounter or fight back. Fight back seems like not an option - they find me when I'm no shields, half armor, fighting 10 NPCs, and half cap. Is run my only option? Can I do anything other than fit 2 warp cores and hope there's just one aggressor?

3) How do other people manage low exploration? Do you just do little sites (esp. no combat) so that you aren't in one place very long?


1. Get a scouting alt to sit on holes, acceleration gates, stargates if you're serious about this. It will more than pay for itself.

2. Dscan constantly in wormholes, I'm talking every 5-10 seconds. You're looking for combat probes AND core probes. You won't believe how many people I've caught who've later said they didn't think I was a threat because I was using 'carebear probes'. This also applies to lowsec.

3. Remember your sig may already be probed out. It almost certainly has / will be in a populated WH. It's also a technique I use very successfully in low and npc null to catch people just like yourself.

3. Stop using a BS, especially a Domi (*spit*). Agility and awareness will keep you alive most of the time, especially the latter. If you only fly Gallente I recommend an Ishtar or Proteus.

4. What makes you think FW areas are any less likely to mean almost certain death? Think again.

5. Why am I telling you this? Ignore everything I just said and come back in a very expensive Proteus kthx.

Mocking the afflicted since 2013.
Fa Xian
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-05-21 14:15:05 UTC
l0rd carlos wrote:
looks like you don't learn form your mistakes. You have been killed from smartbomb BS in Kourmunen twice. Don't warp around such system with a pod or ship that can't handle a smartbomb. Also use bounce spots.


To me, this is a different issue. I don't really go through there very often and both those are pods....
Fa Xian
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-05-21 14:18:06 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
you could just stick to signatures, as anomalies are dangerous


Quite right. I never do anomalies. But combat signatures are fun. I might have to give them up though if I can't escape or defeat people hunting me down in them.

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you really need to spam that d-scan though.


Yup.
Fa Xian
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-05-21 14:26:07 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
Why not FW for a while or hang out with other lowsec pvp-ers?


I don't have the millions I'd need to throw away on ships. I don't have multiple characters and don't want to lose implants - although I suppose that's a minor concern as I've lost them anyway now.

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Why not team up with a pvp corp and use exploration in their space as an ISK maker for pew pew ships?


I find making connections with people in this game almost impossible. I don't see myself in a corp anytime soon - seems like I have nothing to offer them and they have nothing to offer me. I would not and could not expect help in the field. I could not really provide much help. No corps seem to want or need explorers for anything. I won't be able to tolerate mandatory ops, I won't mine or haul, I don't PVP now - it's just not in the cards for me it seems. I'd love to have people to chat with, but that's probably the end of it, really.

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Basicly anything beyond hisec involves pvp. If you get the basics of pvp it's easier to specialize in preventing it.


I agree. Hence, this thread. I've read a lot about it elsewhere, but advice on PVP is never focused on my angle. It's always "get in a frig and pew pew!" - Do people even use battleships in PVP? I suppose null sov wars maybe. That might as well be a different game for all I know about it.
Fa Xian
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2013-05-21 14:28:55 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
OP, you may also give a serious look at the Myrmidon for what you're doing, if you're hesitant to cross train for the Pilgrim at this time.


I've owned and flown them. I moved up to Dominix when doing L4 missions solo in a Myrm and getting beat pretty severely. But I liked the Myrmidon a lot and could easily go back... it would be overkill for most explore stuff. I wonder if it would be able to defend itself better in an abrupt PVP encounter?
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#51 - 2013-05-21 14:28:58 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
watch d-scan, spam local, get fit for a cloak.


fixed?


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Drakes use to be the best at hi sec wormholes, but that may have changed after the bc tiericide.


What is this "hi sec wormhole"? There are only Wspaces. Wspaces that link to Hi Sec have higher than average traffic, while low sec doesn't have much. Probably because the Hi Seccers think that low sec is too dangerous, while they putter around in a -1 trusec system with no local.

heh.....makes me laugh every time.
Fa Xian
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2013-05-21 14:29:51 UTC
Ayuren Aakiwa wrote:
I've read none of this thread so my bad if this was said before....move your ass to guristas low sec and run "guristas troop reinvigoration camps" and nothing else. Spend all day looking for them and you will make a straight up stupid amount of isk. Your welcome.


I'll give it some thought. I've been hanging in Blood Angel space, but there's no compelling reason really.
Fa Xian
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-05-21 14:32:03 UTC
Britta Nolen wrote:
More like, stay out of FW areas if you want to only explore. They will hunt /probe you down if they don't already have the site bookmarked. Sov nullsec on the other hand, is ez mode. Apparently no one out there carries probes at all.


I can believe I would be hunted less, but I'd also expect to find very little - don't the owners already sweep it clean for themselves? Sounds like a great way to get stomped on now that I think about it - their resident explorer finds me at a site and calls in guns to remove the ninja.
Fa Xian
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-05-21 14:34:41 UTC
Roime wrote:
you'll want your alt ...


My what? There's just me. I don't have a second account at this time; had one in the past, but let it go. I have 1 character on this account; the second I found you could only train one at a time, it was obvious to me that you could only have 1 per account. I have YEARS of training on this character before I'd even consider starting another on this account.
Fa Xian
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2013-05-21 14:40:53 UTC
Marianne Pollard wrote:
[Get a scouting alt to sit on holes, acceleration gates, stargates if you're serious about this. It will more than pay for itself.


A what? I'm very reluctant to start a second account. How would having a second account in a ship sitting in space doing nothing provide any help at all? I already have no trouble moving around if I want to and bother to take care. I'm not concerned about gate camps and such. I don't understand what you're suggesting here.

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Dscan constantly in wormholes


I have never seen another player in wormholes despite running corp mining ops in them and doing tons of exploring in them. I never spend more than a few seconds in a wormhole that has residents and POS.

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I recommend an Ishtar or Proteus


I see this advice a lot. I understand it. But I can't take it. These ships costs months of training and billions of isk. I don't have that.

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What makes you think FW areas are any less likely to mean almost certain death? Think again.


Live and learn. :)
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#56 - 2013-05-21 15:40:11 UTC
Fa Xian wrote:
Roime wrote:
you'll want your alt ...


My what? There's just me. I don't have a second account at this time; had one in the past, but let it go. I have 1 character on this account; the second I found you could only train one at a time, it was obvious to me that you could only have 1 per account. I have YEARS of training on this character before I'd even consider starting another on this account.


No worries, in that case you just need to salvage as you go, or risk going back to kspace for a salvaging ship.

Focus on the Vexor or Myrm if you are short on cash, both will do well in the easier lowsec sites. Although Ishtar isn't much more than a BS. Odyssey Navy Vexor looks great too. Domi is a bit too slow, you'll want to avoid fight rather than make a stand, and smaller ships do that better.

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Ayuren Aakiwa
Shadow Legion X
Seriously Suspicious
#57 - 2013-05-22 00:21:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayuren Aakiwa
Fa Xian wrote:
Ayuren Aakiwa wrote:
I've read none of this thread so my bad if this was said before....move your ass to guristas low sec and run "guristas troop reinvigoration camps" and nothing else. Spend all day looking for them and you will make a straight up stupid amount of isk. Your welcome.


I'll give it some thought. I've been hanging in Blood Angel space, but there's no compelling reason really.



Hey I made 2.8b in about an hour running the last one I found, in a pvp fit covops Loki with tengu boosts. Lately I have been running angel null anoms, ran two 10/10 the other night and neither of them made more than the guristas troop invigoration. Compared to Angels, the guristas sites are significantly harder but they are all generally very profitable. The troop invigoration takes the cake though. I do recommend a nice covops nullified t3 for exploration though and having links only helps.

Edit: autocorrect is ******* ********
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#58 - 2013-05-22 01:32:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Zifrian
Look into getting into a cloak Tech 3 ship at some point. That'll be a good way to do everything in one ship. Also as others said, d-scan is really your best friend. Other options are to find low sec where there aren't people all over the place. They exist, you just gotta go looking for them a bit. I always found systems without stations to have hardly anyone ever in them. I'd always hit them up for scanning.

But you are really running into issues with not having skills or isk for what you want to do in low sec, at least solo.

Another option is to join a corp/alliance in nullsec. Crap ton easier to do exploration there but you also will have to get help to do a lot of the sites.

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Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#59 - 2013-05-22 18:36:33 UTC
Hey people,

When I used to read these threads everybody would recommend either Pilgrim or Ishtar. Not many mentions for Ishtar in this one. What's changed? (Been out of the game since last October). I put 8,000,000 points into drones and SC to peddle an Ishtar for exploration and I'm close to getting into it.
Britta Nolen
Sama Guild
#60 - 2013-05-25 10:03:03 UTC
l0rd carlos wrote:
Britta Nolen wrote:
More like, stay out of FW areas if you want to only explore. They will hunt /probe you down if they don't already have the site bookmarked. Sov nullsec on the other hand, is ez mode. Apparently no one out there carries probes at all.

I find it much easier to find sites in FW lowsec compared to dead regions like Molden Heath.

I have never scaned in 0.0 though. Do you have experience with Great Wildlands?


Yeah, I've scanned out in FW space and finding sites is incredibly easy. There's a reason it's easy once you get out there. No one else runs them outside of the FW people. Lowsec gates in FW are more likely to be camped with RSB tacklers, only warp stabs save you from those guys.

I haven't done anything in GW or angel space. I spend all my time out in Venal and surrounding Sov systems. They really don't bother with combat scanners out there. I sat in 2 domi's and logi at a safespot with 15 after a local spike. I was running 2 sanctums and various ded combat sites. Never saw probes and I didn't even have a single cloak fitted.