Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i would really like to know how a laser can possibly deal KIN damage

how the hell do u make light, passing through a crystal, do something other than heat and em?

we have the new geddon. it has drones AND torps/cruise. theres your damage selection

now, the only thing we as amarrians can do is change from em/thermal to thermal/em. more thermal damage as opposed to more em.
we can adopt the minie ranges and select the damage type. but as far as explosive or kinetic, forget it...we are doomed to em and therm. which, if u think about his, getting thermal cruise and explosive drones makes for a hard time to defend against. trying to tank normal races will not work in this case. so itll be a change.

but we do need to mix up em and thermal.

OP has already uttered doubt as to the value/viability of her initial suggestion so don't fret, we laser wielders got it covered.

On projectiles: T2 ammo is indeed fairly unforgiving by favouring EXP/Kin but in T1 only two out of eight have a triple damage type, namely EMP and DU so is about as adaptive as can be, especially when lower base damage = range and/or tracking .. to further increase adaptability projectiles were given three high damage/low range options with nearly pure type selection, EMP (75% EM), Fusion (83% EXP) and Phased Plasma (83% Therm).
CCP did an uncommonly thorough job when they revised projectile ammo, and if you place a 1-in-4 (the triple types) in the often category then you need to go elsewhere when shopping because you are missing out on what projectiles have to offer.

Did the legwork using current numbers
New and improved;
T2 crystals as is.
Heatsink RoF modifier changed to damage ditto, for T2 make it 22.5% damage which is 0.4% dps decrease .. small (maybe too small) price to pay.

Multifrequency: 36 EM, 12 TH. -50% optimal range.
Gamma: 36 TH, 12 EM. -50% optimal range.

Xray: 24 EM, 12 TH. +20% tracking.
Ultraviolet: 24 TH, 12 EM. +20% tracking.

Standard: 24 EM, 12 TH. 25% reduced capacitor need (note: This is only half the bonus present on hybrid ammo!)
Infrared: 24 TH, 12 EM. 25% reduced capacitor need. (note: This is only half the bonus present on hybrid ammo!)

Microwave: 15 TH, 5 EM. +60% optimal range. +5% tracking.
Radio: 15 EM, 5 TH. +60% optimal range. +5% tracking.

Four groups each both EM and Thermal represented, divided into three range bands with the middle having twin flavours of tracking and sustainability.

Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes.

Yes.

I'd much rather inflict heat damage than reduce my own to be honest .. would be right up Conflags ally judging by its name

Actually physics say yes.

According to famous E = mc2, mechanics and a fact, that super-massive blackholes bend the light (or even trap it inside due to significant gravity), the photons while carrying energy should have the mass. And having a mass plus velocity means kinetic energy. Now all we need is uber-advanced device which increases mass of photons.

If you're going to bring physics into it, let's look at the explosive damage type. Explosions are fiery, cause a shockwave and throw bits of debris about. Considering space is a vacuum, the shockwave is not going to be a factor. Which leaves us with essentially a combination of thermal damage from the blast, plus kinetic damage from the bits of shrapnel or whatever that are thrown out.

Explosive damage isn't really viable at all as a separate type.

You wana go down this road, fine!!!

Retribution: 80% Explosive and 62.5% Kinetic Resistance (Armour) All 5 no mods
Vengeance: 85% Explosive and 71.9% Kinetic Resistance (Armour) All 5 no mods
Jaguar: 75% EM and 60% Thermal Resistance (Shield) All 5 no mods
Wolf: 90% EM and 67.5% Thermal Resistance (Armour) All 5 no mods

Seems fair to me!!!

Actually, like you just said, Light is made of a particle. That does actually have a physical impact. Hence why solar sails are possible, since the kinetic motion of the photon is transferable to the ship the solar sail is on.
So, Physics actually says yes. They have found with RL laser weapons that a pulse of a laser often has a kinetic impact on the target also. Resulting in exactly the same result as a bullet would have done. Depends on the exact frequencies used obviously. But light is both a wave & a particle at the same time.
However, RL Physics is irrelevant to Eve, regardless, since we don't use RL physics.

Lasers applied in a burst can very rapidly ionize only a thin outer layer of a target surface into plasma, which immediately blasts back off the target, applying a kinetic impact.