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THE CAREBEARIANS

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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
#121 - 2013-05-21 09:14:13 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
people you need to help me here, ask around who wants to join the carebear fleet and tell them to jump into my public chat SpaceJunkys, there we can talk about our great endeavour and get prepared, I would suggest we do the invasion the weekend before eve's birthday or around november/december every year, so plenty of time still... jump in so we can work on your warplan and start rollin


I asked around Rens, but everyone said they were going to be busy running Level 4's that weekend, or installing manufacturing jobs on their industry alts.


keep trying, just tell them this is a new level 6 mission only the best carebears are allowed to play, I'm sure they all hop on board fast ;)
Valari Nala Zena
Perkone
Caldari State
#122 - 2013-05-21 10:02:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Valari Nala Zena
Not only do carebears not care about pvp, loads of them are alts from mains in nullsec alliances who often like pvp.

If anything, you will get a fleet full of empire alts flying ships with cyno's trying to blob this carebear fleet with their mains.

Actual carebears will ragequit and probably never log in again, and nullsec will get gf.

TL;DR yeaaaaah, no.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#123 - 2013-05-21 10:25:27 UTC
Leaving my Dodixie??? Shocked
For some crappy 0.0 space??? Shocked

you are crazy Cool

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Velicitia
XS Tech
#124 - 2013-05-21 10:26:16 UTC
Melissa Turner wrote:
there is absolutely no way a 2 month newbie can take out a 10yr veteran..i'd actually just prefer to learn from the 10 year veteran really.


Quoting because TERRIBLY WRONG.

Who the hell keeps perpetuating these lies?

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#125 - 2013-05-21 10:31:54 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Melissa Turner wrote:
there is absolutely no way a 2 month newbie can take out a 10yr veteran..i'd actually just prefer to learn from the 10 year veteran really.


Quoting because TERRIBLY WRONG.

Who the hell keeps perpetuating these lies?


The people who think that pvp is elite e-honour 1v1 no neutral reps or boosters. Sure, they are partly right, a 2 month newbie can't beat a 10 year veteran on average but one on one doesn't prove anything.
Darth Kilth
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#126 - 2013-05-21 10:43:13 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Melissa Turner wrote:
there is absolutely no way a 2 month newbie can take out a 10yr veteran..i'd actually just prefer to learn from the 10 year veteran really.


Quoting because TERRIBLY WRONG.

Who the hell keeps perpetuating these lies?

True enough, but a veteran has more experience, more ISK to replace every lost ship and more friends to call when things go **** up.
Besides, a newbie is most likely to believe in 'honourable' 1v1 duels, every Veteran knows there is going to be an offgrid fleet booster or back up.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#127 - 2013-05-21 11:19:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Six Six Six wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

who wanted to do this in the pastt? :D need to know the name, let me know...


I'm not going to wade through months or years of threads to find it. But one thing I don't think anything came of the ones before so good luck.

actually, a 0.0 alliance came from it

(Xystance took a break from TEST to do this sort of thing - The Hero that High Sec Deserves - the resulting alliance The 99 Percent eventually ended up as a TEST pet and then merged with The Aurora Shadow to create Tribal Band which now owns Period Basis.)

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#128 - 2013-05-21 11:54:06 UTC
Darth Kilth wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Melissa Turner wrote:
there is absolutely no way a 2 month newbie can take out a 10yr veteran..i'd actually just prefer to learn from the 10 year veteran really.


Quoting because TERRIBLY WRONG.

Who the hell keeps perpetuating these lies?

True enough, but a veteran has more experience, more ISK to replace every lost ship and more friends to call when things go **** up.
Besides, a newbie is most likely to believe in 'honourable' 1v1 duels, every Veteran knows there is going to be an offgrid fleet booster or back up.



Yeah, I've got more contacts than a rookie.
Depending on the day, I probably have less ISK (though more assets).


Thing is though, the rookie simply needs to learn that the only reason they're having a "fair fight" is because someone made a mistake. The faster you learn there's no such thing, the better -- I mean, hell, you'd think it was obvious with the missions... "Here, go kill these 10-20 rats and come back with the loot".


I remember when I started, guy sent me an evemail with a good "starter" fit for a thorax. Pretty much the gist of our conversation was "I don't care what you decide to do in EVE, but at least get this far on the combat side". With things getting made better with tiericide and the training boosts, I imagine the Thorax will be even better for a 2 month old newbie.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
#129 - 2013-05-21 14:26:28 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Two words: Children's Crusade.


no problem if you are young, you still can come, no worries
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
#130 - 2013-05-21 14:29:33 UTC
Sidrat Flush wrote:
Is this an empire ceo I see actually creating content?

Please ensure you tell everyone how to set up their overview and pick a direction.

The trick is to do everything so fast they don't realise that they are actually on a pvp roam until after they've just fired on another player that didn't give permission in advance.


seems you null sec people do not have anything to do except writing bad about high sec people in forums, must be pretty boring in your region... and instead of beeing excited that I bring some life to your system you are against it all, I wonder why?
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
#131 - 2013-05-21 14:32:15 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
OP, when you decide this isn't happening, look up Curatores Veritatis Alliance (CVA). They are perhaps the only group to successfully bring highbears out of highsec to live in a highsec-like space that is not highsec.

I really admire what you're trying to do. It won't work, though, and I can tell you why: communication. You can't amass a huge fighting force of highbears cause you can't get a huge mass of highbears to know about what you're doing, you can't get a huge mass of highbears to agree on a method of attack, you can't get a huge mass of highbears to work together under a ship doctrine or set of fleet tactics. Even if you massed a thousand highbears to run a giant spaceship donut through nullsec, all that would happen is you'd get hotdropped and you'd all be sent to upgrade your fresh clone grade alpha in less time than it takes to inquire why that one guy who's supposed to be logi is AFK.

But if you're really determined to get this thing together, then you have my support. I don't know very many influential groups who would be willing to work with you, but you could try getting in touch with the James 3:15 (New Order of Highsec) crowd. At first it may appear that they are aligned against you, but consider that you and they have the same goal: to enhance highsec communication and get the highbears to agree on something. If James 315 were successful in what they set out to do, there would undoubtedly be a big outcry and subsequent rebellion. And that rebellion could hurt people in nullsec more than their shipwrecks feed it.


I'm sure that a lot of people want to do it, but fore some null sec is just uninviting, we see it here on the forums as well, a lot just hammer down on others there, that makes things anoying and no fun, however I keep pushing for it and thanks for the info, I will check into those groups you mentioned...
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
#132 - 2013-05-21 14:40:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Vera Algaert wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

who wanted to do this in the pastt? :D need to know the name, let me know...


I'm not going to wade through months or years of threads to find it. But one thing I don't think anything came of the ones before so good luck.

actually, a 0.0 alliance came from it

(Xystance took a break from TEST to do this sort of thing - The Hero that High Sec Deserves - the resulting alliance The 99 Percent eventually ended up as a TEST pet and then merged with The Aurora Shadow to create Tribal Band which now owns Period Basis.)


thanks for the info, interesting story! I will check into it some more and see if there are some willing people who want to join my fight as well, however for me that thing he wanted to pull of looks a bit too professional though

I do not want to train people and stuff, this would be to big of an undertaking, I just want to go there once a year with what we have availalbe and shoot some stuff, pretty simple, and the more I hear people from null sec telling me how difficult and impossible that is the more I think we will have an easy time just doing it

i prefer the chaos invading the area without real tactic, just free roaming but all at the same day, everybody can come with good or bad ships, venture or pods no problem :D we are not scared we just show those tactic fanatics how easy we take it and have fun, something I'm missing a lot when i read some of the responses here on my topic :) but yours was nice, thanks for that ;)
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#133 - 2013-05-21 15:19:09 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
I say it's time for all carebears to gather all recources and invade that null sec spacey


It is not in our nature. If it were in our nature, then we would not be carebears in the first place.


not if we fight like carebears, thats when the overwhelming force comes into play, the whole party will be as save as mining asteroids I promise


How many mining barges does it take to be "overwhelming force" against a fleet of super carriers and titans?
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#134 - 2013-05-21 16:03:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Frostys Virpio
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
I say it's time for all carebears to gather all recources and invade that null sec spacey


It is not in our nature. If it were in our nature, then we would not be carebears in the first place.


not if we fight like carebears, thats when the overwhelming force comes into play, the whole party will be as save as mining asteroids I promise


How many mining barges does it take to be "overwhelming force" against a fleet of super carriers and titans?


x = number of barge needed
y = number of ship on grid required to black screen a node
z = number of supercap in the fleet

x = y-z

I son't really see how else it could be done tbh...
ian papabear
No Regard.
#135 - 2013-05-21 16:07:18 UTC
ill fight with you brother!

anyone who knows me, knows that I am one of the biggest carebears in nullsec. lets do this ish.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#136 - 2013-05-21 16:09:08 UTC
Valari Nala Zena wrote:
Not only do carebears not care about pvp, loads of them are alts from mains in nullsec alliances who often like pvp.

If anything, you will get a fleet full of empire alts flying ships with cyno's trying to blob this carebear fleet with their mains.

Actual carebears will ragequit and probably never log in again, and nullsec will get gf.

TL;DR yeaaaaah, no.


This should be in the dictionary as the definition of "Emergent Gameplay" Smile That's the beauty of EVE, you never know what to expect.

Maybe we could get CCP to introduce Tech2 panties into the game, wearing those MIGHT give the real "carebears" enough sack room to stop playing the eternal victims of a video game....but I doubt it.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#137 - 2013-05-21 16:19:51 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

Maybe we could get CCP to introduce Tech2 panties into the game, wearing those MIGHT give the real "carebears" enough sack room to stop playing the eternal victims of a video game....but I doubt it.


You want to blow up my ship.

I don't want you to blow up my ship.

I don't undock when there is a reasonable risk my ship will go boom.

You don't blow up my ship.

You come to the forums DEMANDING it be easier to make my ship go boom, because EVE is dying..... What you do not accept is that if the rules were changed to make it easier to make my ship go boom, I'd just change my play style to continue to ensure my ship does not go boom.

I win, you lose.

Who is the eternal victim?

LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#138 - 2013-05-21 16:24:55 UTC
When I was in null sec, our policy was that when a roam came into our area, we'd dock up and not fight.

Many people would whine... why do we let these people just roam through our area and not do anything about it.


The answer is, because we don't want them here.

Counter intuitive at first, but you have to look at secondary effects. WHY were people roaming through the area? Because they wanted fights. How do we make them go somewhere else? By making sure they don't get fights here.

Go out and fight them, sure, maybe you can win and send them home in pods or clone activations.... but they are just going to come right back.

Don't give then fights is the MUCH, MUCH more effective means of dealing with unwanted roaming gangs.



Same goes for how carebears should deal with the PvPers. Just make sure they don't get kills.
ian papabear
No Regard.
#139 - 2013-05-21 16:30:22 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
When I was in null sec, our policy was that when a roam came into our area, we'd dock up and not fight.

Many people would whine... why do we let these people just roam through our area and not do anything about it.


The answer is, because we don't want them here.

Counter intuitive at first, but you have to look at secondary effects. WHY were people roaming through the area? Because they wanted fights. How do we make them go somewhere else? By making sure they don't get fights here.

Go out and fight them, sure, maybe you can win and send them home in pods or clone activations.... but they are just going to come right back.

Don't give then fights is the MUCH, MUCH more effective means of dealing with unwanted roaming gangs.



Same goes for how carebears should deal with the PvPers. Just make sure they don't get kills.



sounds like you were in CVA.

but yeah ive been in the fleet roaming , not fighting is a direct counter to pvp

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#140 - 2013-05-21 16:36:52 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

Maybe we could get CCP to introduce Tech2 panties into the game, wearing those MIGHT give the real "carebears" enough sack room to stop playing the eternal victims of a video game....but I doubt it.


You want to blow up my ship.

I don't want you to blow up my ship.

I don't undock when there is a reasonable risk my ship will go boom.

You don't blow up my ship.

You come to the forums DEMANDING it be easier to make my ship go boom, because EVE is dying..... What you do not accept is that if the rules were changed to make it easier to make my ship go boom, I'd just change my play style to continue to ensure my ship does not go boom.

I win, you lose.

Who is the eternal victim?



You are, because you fear the loss of pixels.

I undock expensive PVE ships in the same null sec that made you tuck tail and run for mommy (high sec) everyday. I've lost a few and kept on ticking pulling in billions upon billions of isk from null sec complexes while you hide in an npc corp. And I post on the forums with my true ingame self (selves) and have even linked my (sometimes) pvp "mains" in several posts while you hide behind LHA Tarawa because you are so scared someone will try to shoot you in a video game because "if they really knew who i was they'd get me" LOL.

I beat you every time I log in lol, it has nothing to do with ship to ship PVP (which i don't usually partake in) and everything to do with strength of character....