Player Features and Ideas Discussion

They prob wont update it any time soon. at the same time the cat is already out of the bag. Those quality of life improvements that we get twice a year (re balancing so on so forth new colored ships. Some new ships) should be done though out the year like most other MMO's/.) Yes CCP is not a large studio but the game has been around for 10 years thats 10 years worth of updates for them to make money etc. The point being is WIS and new content should be expansion that expand the universe. What we get now are nothing but glorified patches that are dubbed expansions .

Not trying to bash them really im not but you already showed u had the stations built you released it with part of that content enabled just enable the rest let us work with it and take your time improving it. You would be shocked and supprised what we could do with tons of blank new free realist ate.


Those that honestly get mad at ccp for things like wis or other aspects that they try to change eg burn jita etc or threaten to leave because they want to expand the universe to make it more of a space simulation should seriously just eather go or ccp should start not listening to them cause there at the point there doing more harm then good to ccp. Not saying ccp hasnt made mistakes in the past.

CCP, why not just crowd fund the WiS? then you can hire a whole new team to do this with out having to reallocate resources and personnel. I think you'd be very surprised by how many would support this.

CCP - If you like;
1) Give us a materials library we can choose from,
2) Give us the details for Carbon's conforming clothes:
so we know how to construct the geometry and normals,
how to apply texture coordinates,
IE the vertex definition and the Vertex and Index list formats,
tell us if we need to worry about the underlying skeleton and if we do let us know how to work it,
the tucking mechanic details so we can get that to work properly,
and how we turn off the underlying body geometary if our clothes completely cover it,
and the format of the file,
And any flags in the model,
etc),

and then let us bombard you with content you can deploy if you want to.

Be nice if you gave us an OOG dressing room environment for testing - with the walking animation and fidget animations so we can be sure our stuff is solid and doesn't clip through to physical model.

We'd all sign off our efforts to CCP. And I know Carbon's character model is hot property - we'd all sign NDAs to get the information to build stuff.

I know. people are rubbish at NDAs. But.. . !! But - But model formats have been released before - with the engine mechanics remaining unknown. The format without the engine still has value but maybe less value - enough so for CCP to open it up?

I know EvE doesn't do Mods - can't do Mods because of the botting issues that plague all MMOs. But people do like to Mod - we have loads of OOG resources that people have made - and some people can produce good quality assets - especially if the scope of work is limited - like a pair of trousers! This could give us modders an outlet.

The one thing I was wondering is if this upcoming update will bring anything to the WIS. Like they said they did something with the looks in the station.

I want Wis:
I want to recognize my fellow players and interact with them more personally. I spent a lot of time on my avatar and I want to show him/her off.
Yes I do want to stab a spoon into the eye of the guy that poded me! Someone please explain why I can’t/shouldn’t?
I also want to take some corp. buddies/Dust mercs and disable that titan, board it and shoot the pilot in the back of his head, repair the ship and call it mine!
I do want to walk into that space station we sieged, shoot every one inside if they done surrender (or not) and take all of its assets, unanchore it and take it, or simply rebuilt it as mine! [This can be done without WIS]
Yes ill leave my pod to shoot at pirates boarding my ship to defend it to my last dying breath/ set the auto destruct eject and see pirate scambling out of it while it blows every thing within 20k to space dust.
I’m willing to go EVA and risk someone stealing my ship while I’m searching for new tech in an abandoned Jovian/sleeper/… station.
Hell yeah I would love to sit at my bar with my exotic dancers, while my corp. is waiting out a War dec looking out into space from my huge panoramic space window, seeing my enemies fly off because their board out of their minds.
Yes I want to see all my ships sitting in my hangar, waiting for me to pull one out of storage.
Someday I would like to go to a station/planet side and build a little store that sells the best rail guns in the universe because I can find/steal the best resource that exist.
Maybe just sit with friends and watch the sunset as my avatar drinks himself into a drunken stupor…OR I want to walk into my guild hall where I have collected the corpses of all my enemies, bask in the glory of the monuments I have made for myself and my fellow corp. mates. See my stores of loot and wealth not simply see lists in displays. Know all this effort can vanish if I lose sight that there is someone that wants to take it from me or simply destroy it.
Guys I know some of you can’t/won't see the value in the aforementioned items. I’m truly sorry you don’t have the imagination to allow this. Others do. Please don’t stop complaining though, if/when CCP begins to slack because priorities get misaligned to yours… they need to hear from all of us so that this game continue to grow its player base continues to grow in quality and richness so as to attract more newbie to shoot at.

As for dedicating resources CCP make those decisions as they please, not because incarna was implemented badly, there are many resource that are being dedicated that are not promoting better/more FIS, such as “WoD”. How do you think EVE trailers are made do you think someone is simply painting them each time they decide to create a trailer that has WIS clearly depicted. No. those resources have been built and they right now use them inside “Jessica” and other platforms to create those fantastic trailer. Please don’t fool your selves CCP knows that those images of people Walking In Stations are useful/needed to market the EVE story. It would be disingenuous of them to discard one of the foundations of the original vision that has been stated over and over pre and post incarna fiasco and that many current players came to EVE because of this PROMISS.
Here is the only reason now that this vision is a bit in the future and that’s because Eve is a one shard server environment that means you “CAN” have thousands of players in one area of the game at the same time. Translating all those clothing types, actions, emotes, voices, punches, dance moves… requires a huge bandwidth that is much greater than all of EVE players all logged in at the same time spamming every text message and missile launcher at the same time. Time dilation won’t work in those circumstances. [Please DEVs comment on this specific point if true!]

The quality we have come to expect from EVE has been set very thigh. If we complain about minutia like book marks and the price of kernite in jita, the huge lag we will suffer because somebody decided to have a line dance party with a hundred freinds and every one misses a step will certainly be cause for yelling to high heaven.

Hopefully the “Prototype Project” will introduce slowly some WIS implementation to make the vision of the SCI-FI mmo the reality instead of the mediocre FIS that is one dimensional, even if it is infinitesimally complex.

Walking in Stations is very important to the health of EvE.

Yea the whole "Look were making clothes for the closet we added to eve and you can buy them from us for real cash" "while were at the same time announcing were pulling the plug on actually having any real purpose to the items were selling you" Is just one of the dumbest things Ive ever seen in the industry. If your going to make content and release it for content your not developing and charge money for it your the laziest developers Ive ever seen in many years in the industry. That or your corporate heads are completely out of the loop with the player base of your most successful product as the mass riots proved during incarna and still are. Thus assigning skilled devs to projects with less potential still fails to improve CCP's reputation with its already existing player base. People want WIS EVE is and always has been a SPACE sim not solely a SPACESHIP sim. If you wish to stay to your ship that will not change. The old player base expresses its fear of expanding EVE beyond what they know currently on every WIS thread by bashing everything about it. That reaction happens in any game when large changes happen even if the changes will draw you deeper into the world being created, as fear of change is human nature.

Point being.
Either Put the resources back into WIS witch is content this game has needed since its conception and the tech to make it happen is easily available. Or cease selling content for it as if your actually getting ready to give your most loyal player base something you cant.

This boils down to 2 things and Ive heard enough side stepping and excuses from CCP for years to be skeptical they have any road map in place for anything they do. Granted EVE is a great game I'm simply not impressed with the timing they get things done in. If ever.

1.Get teams back on WIS make EVE better draw in more players thus adding more content for everyone as more players = more content if you disagree your in the wrong game. All that means is more content more players more money everyone wins even the old cranky players as they will have more spaceships to shoot at.

2.Drop WIS waste the profit potential screw your loyal player base throw everything into a project like Dust witch is burning at the stake as we speak claim it adds lots to EVE to cover your asses and look like idiots doing so.

As of now number 2 seems to be your brilliant road map. That's not saying if you ever got around to actually making WIS it couldn't be tied with Dust making WIS even more beneficial to EVE. For example by seamlessly dropping EVE players planet side and swapping the game over to Dust 514 on pc. Through a feature such as docking on a station in EVE using WIS to enter a space elevator and dropping down to the planet below. Then flipping open Dust on the same pc and allowing you to suit up or vice versa.

The real question is can CCP see the real potential in WIS and are they willing to get behind it for real and stop just charging me for clean clothes as my CQ doesn't even have a laundry machine. I love EVE i respect the work CCP has done its just time they took the plunge their players deserve this.

Yea the items have been floating around for a long time and moving them into EVE does leave questions as to the reasoning behind those actions. If for purely a monetary purpose and not a precursor to actually finishing something they started then that's depressing. If not even insulting.

"watch we finally get to open the door in EVE and its 1 room a laundromat"

OPEN THE DOOR