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Why is it such a challenge to move ships?
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Ano Regni
YOKELS
#1 - 2013-05-20 22:47:45 UTC
this is more of a curiosity question than a How-To question really, but I have read numerous posts over the past year or so from people in regards to moving ships to different stations and the best way to do so. Of course, they all end in generally three responses:

(1) Sell everything you have and buy it again later
(2) Fly your ships to the new location one-by-one
(3) Repackage them and throw them in a industrial or freighter.

So my question isn't "how do I move things" but "why can't I move things"? Why did the developers design the game in such a way that the only way to move your ships is to repackage them, causing you lose your riggings etc. Doesn't make a lot of logical sense to me I suppose, and it is something I have been curious about. So, I assume there must be a reason for it perhaps?

Quite frankly, I don't think anybody likes moving.

I am not a pirate, I work in private acquisition and redistribution dealing in personal assets
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-05-20 22:51:53 UTC
It gives freighters a purpose.

Art of Explosions
Garth Idellian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-05-20 22:52:31 UTC
You can also put them in an Orca, or a carrier if you are in low/null. I don't really see the problem, and I don't see what you expect. Ships are big, as in, BIG. It would just be stupid to be able to move a battleship in something that is smaller than a battleship. Moving stuff around is already pretty easy with corps like Red Frog Freight.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#4 - 2013-05-20 23:08:03 UTC
Putting limitations such as mass relocation of ships and assets in place ensures that EVE remains a virtual world, with a functioning economy. As a result of this limitation you will stimulate the EVE economy in some way: perhaps you will sell and buy ships. Perhaps you will contract the hauling of the ships to someone with a freighter. Perhaps you will pay someone to fly your ships to the destination station. The possibilities are there because the limitation is in place.

If you could freely move all your ships and assets to a new location, imagine how hard it would be to disrupt supply lines for your enemy during a protracted war.

Limitations on materiel logistics make EVE a more convincing sci fi simulator.

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Katie Frost
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-05-20 23:13:48 UTC
Although on an individual level I can understand the frustration behind this game design.

However, consider EVE where everyone can just instantly one-click move their ships anywhere they want. Now consider this option on a alliance or coalition level: insta-deployments without any need for logistics, power projection from any system in the game. What is the purpose of the "vast universe" then? We may as well have a World of Tanks scenario, where you pick your ship and >ENTER BATTLE<.

Logistics/Freighting is meant to be arduous and time-consuming but it is a notable and required profession in the game. It takes EVE away from spawn/re-spawn model and increases immersion by encouraging a degree of forethought if you are deploying somewhere (i.e. have an exit plan, deploy only a few ships etc.).
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#6 - 2013-05-20 23:31:10 UTC
Quote:
So my question isn't "how do I move things" but "why can't I move things"? Why did the developers design the game in such a way that the only way to move your ships is to repackage them, causing you lose your riggings etc. Doesn't make a lot of logical sense to me I suppose, and it is something I have been curious about. So, I assume there must be a reason for it perhaps?


Because the EVE universe is supposed to feel big, and it's not going to feel very big if you can easily move all of your **** across the universe in half an hour with no real cost.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#7 - 2013-05-20 23:57:23 UTC
Ano Regni wrote:
this is more of a curiosity question than a How-To question really, but I have read numerous posts over the past year or so


That's not a curiosity that's a stupid whine and belongs with the rest of the garbage in GD. There are many reasons why and noone cares if you have to repackage incursion ships to farm.

Leave high sec - buy a carrier.
Ano Regni
YOKELS
#8 - 2013-05-20 23:57:44 UTC
Woh woh woh focus :) I think we are going off on tangents here. I am not here to stimulate the EVE economy in my area by selling all of my stuff in some galactic yard sale, nor am I seeking some magical "on-click-move" approach, I am simply thinking in a real world scenario where we have huge cargo aircraft such as C-5 or Antenov's or large cargo ships (boats) which are capable of moving large amounts of supplies and also carrying smaller aircraft. Same premise here, why can't I say "I want to grab X amount of ships" (I am not talking about large ships, just your smaller frigates, cruisers, battlecruisers) then fly them in a Huge cargo ship to my new location.(however many trips it may take me) .

Why is the game designed in a manner that you have to repackage ships just to move them?. It has no real world application to it. You're not magically moving ships to a new location, you're not finding any workarounds to logistical operations. There is no advantages to be made here in doing so.

I am just curious as to what is the reason behind having to repackage the ships? That is all I am trying to understand.

I am not a pirate, I work in private acquisition and redistribution dealing in personal assets
Ano Regni
YOKELS
#9 - 2013-05-21 00:01:55 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
[quote=Ano Regni]

... There are many reasons why ...



I'm listening?

I am not a pirate, I work in private acquisition and redistribution dealing in personal assets
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#10 - 2013-05-21 00:10:38 UTC
Ano Regni wrote:
It has no real world application to it.


Yep, sounds like this one is ready for GD...
Oraac Ensor
#11 - 2013-05-21 00:22:27 UTC
Ano Regni wrote:
I am simply thinking in a real world scenario where we have huge cargo aircraft such as C-5 or Antenov's or large cargo ships (boats) which are capable of moving large amounts of supplies and also carrying smaller aircraft.

- - - >

Why is the game designed in a manner that you have to repackage ships just to move them?

You seriously think it isn't necessary to dismantle bulky items before moving them in a C-5 or cargo ship?

Get real, ffs.
Albionsblade Parry
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-05-21 00:27:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Albionsblade Parry
Why is it such a challenge? I presume the same reason you can't use bots to mine. The game is meant to be hard if you want to do something, you're meant to put in the time and effort to get what you want.

I'm new to this game but so far this is exactly what I am loving about it.

Actually thinking about it a removal firm might be a nice little earner for someone.
Ano Regni
YOKELS
#13 - 2013-05-21 01:04:44 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
[quote=Ano Regni] You seriously think it isn't necessary to dismantle bulky items before moving them in a C-5 or cargo ship?



it is necessary, and I think the game should require this.

I am not a pirate, I work in private acquisition and redistribution dealing in personal assets
Oraac Ensor
#14 - 2013-05-21 01:08:07 UTC
Ano Regni wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
[quote=Ano Regni] You seriously think it isn't necessary to dismantle bulky items before moving them in a C-5 or cargo ship?



it is necessary, and I think the game should require this.

It does: you have to repackage items before transporting them - the very thing you're whining about. Roll
Oraac Ensor
#15 - 2013-05-21 01:10:33 UTC
Albionsblade Parry wrote:
Actually thinking about it a removal firm might be a nice little earner for someone.

I think Red Frog would probably confirm that. Blink
Ranzabar
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-05-21 01:16:02 UTC
I buy and sell cheap shuttles to get me around. It's more efficient than moving...most of the time.

Abide
Ano Regni
YOKELS
#17 - 2013-05-21 01:31:08 UTC
I am talking about repacking not dismantling. I am not here to argue about someone analyzing my analogy, I am just curious why the game wants you to repackage, that’s all. I can understand if some ships are too big to transport, or if I have to dismantle and remove some guns in order to "fit" my ship into a cargohold of a larger vessel. All I am interested in is the reason why the Eve Developers have designed the game to where we have to repackage items in order to move them, so I can understand the logic a little better. That is all I am curious on.


Before writing a petition I decided to ask this simple question to other folks and not bug CCP. Instead, I get all the high school kids with nothing better to do. It is a just simple question I am wanting know so I can better understand the dynamics of the game. If you think it’s a dumb question to ask, just don't answer me.

I am not a pirate, I work in private acquisition and redistribution dealing in personal assets
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#18 - 2013-05-21 01:38:13 UTC
Ano Regni wrote:
this is more of a curiosity question than a How-To question really, but I have read numerous posts over the past year or so from people in regards to moving ships to different stations and the best way to do so. Of course, they all end in generally three responses:

(1) Sell everything you have and buy it again later
(2) Fly your ships to the new location one-by-one
(3) Repackage them and throw them in a industrial or freighter.

So my question isn't "how do I move things" but "why can't I move things"? Why did the developers design the game in such a way that the only way to move your ships is to repackage them, causing you lose your riggings etc. Doesn't make a lot of logical sense to me I suppose, and it is something I have been curious about. So, I assume there must be a reason for it perhaps?

Quite frankly, I don't think anybody likes moving.


google Red Frog Freight.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#19 - 2013-05-21 01:38:21 UTC
You don't /need/ to repackage. It just makes the ship significantly smaller.

You can, for example, put an entire fitted ship into a contract, and someone can put that plastic wrap into a large cargo hold.

There's also the ship bay on an Orca, where you can put fitted ships.



In the end, it all comes down to consequences. You can rig your ships, but it makes it harder to move them.

It has huge implications when it comes to the logistics of invading someone's space, for example.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

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Albionsblade Parry
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-05-21 01:40:11 UTC
A petition for what? The more this goes on the more you seem to be losing the plot. The people on this thread have answered the question, to which you then argue black is white and carry on with the same nonsense.
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