Jita Park Speakers Corner

If I had to make a wild guess, this thread is in the CSM only bit of the forums.

Thanks Chribba.

As a new player:

Don't give new players something they can't use. There's already so much stuff in EVE we can't use it's frustrating! The T2 BPCs can be a reward from an Epic Arc or something but not from tutorials. Perhaps an industry-mission-type Epic Arc? ;)

The sisters of EVE epic arc is great at introducing new players to combat in missions outside of the tutorials but we still don't have a real introduction to PI , PoSes and industry in general. An Epic Arc that would show new players those three features of the game would be very much welcome.

Basically:
A mission that would show how to get to a moon, enter a PoS, get something from it, bring to agent. Agent then gives you a command centre, you drop it on a planet, make it extract some mission materials, voila, get those to an agent. He then makes you manufacture some stuff, you hand those in and get a T2 BPC.

Certificates are still valuable as skill guides for newbs.

Possibly need a little looking at, as there are some where the levels needed are a touch excessive, and I'd /love/ corp level certs, but otherwise good.



I'm thinking, once CREST is released, with a read only access to character sheet endpoint, I'll set up a site where people can define custom certificates, and other people can claim them (behind a passcode, or publicly)

No need to store the sheet, just grab when they log in (and delegate temporary access), store in their session and compare, when they go to claim.


People then just need to log in, when they want to update.

We'll see if people like it.

(WTB developers license, so I can get started with SSO and CREST please)

Again, this entry was very link-heavy and includes a Youtube video as well. To read the original, please go here:
http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2013/05/csm8-status-report-week-three.html

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CSM8 status report: Week three

This is going to be a busy one. Let's start with the EVE launcher.

CSM8 is catching a bit of hell from some quarters for our (relative lack of) response to the EVE launcher situation this past week. I'm going to start by essentially doubling down on my response last week: I'm not sure what CSM8 was supposed to do here. CCP knew about the issues, and they were communicating those issues to the players. This is not really a situation where the CSM can help... honestly, all we can do is make the situation worse, either by:

* sharing out of date information with players (by definition, any information the CSM has is going to be out of date); or,
* lambasting CCP for a situation they realize is broken.

I might be accused of being a hypocrite about that second point, being an "activist CSM" and all, but again as I said last week, the difference here is between something that happens with all software (bugs, issues with deployments) and something that was done on purpose (:Fearless:).

More to the point, though, it's hard to get too excited about a situation that was so minor. Yes, minor. There was a fairly brilliant meme going around this week about how having to fight with the launcher isn't exactly on the same level as boot.ini. ;-) This isn't SimCity or Diablo III. Except for some edge cases (which several members of the CSM are working with CCP), the issue here lasted several hours, not several days, and all of us got 50000 additional skill points out of it. By that scale, CCP can trip over the launcher for a few hours every week or so I'd still be happy. ;-)

In short, I'm fine with how CCP handled this one and in my opinion, it's not worth getting worked up over. If you want to yell at me for having that opinion, yell away. But I'm not alone in this boat. I thought Ali Aras's response on the forums was quite well thought-out and well written. Go read it, because I echo it. Again, onward.

Something that I'm definitely discovering about this whole CSM thing is that it's impossible to keep up with everything. There is literally enough going on with CSM8 and EVE right now that if a CSM member wanted, they could literally spend every waking moment every day trying to stay caught up with all of the communications mediums. It's impossible. Anyone who tries is going to burn out and burn out fast. There's no possible way one CSM member can keep track of (long breath) Skype and Twitter and Facebook and Reddit and EVE-O public forms and FHC and kugu and EVE-O CSM private forums and EVE mail and in-game conversations and in-game channels and e-mail and pod-casts and blogs and EVE news sites.

It's too much. So a number of CSM8 members talked this issue out this week trying to decide who was going to do what. For myself, I'm never going to be much of an EVE-O forum guy. Fortunately, Malcanis is and he's more than happy to be our primary EVE-O forums guy. He and other people on CSM8 that are good at the EVE-O forums are pointing the rest of us at particularly good threads and posts. So if you don't see me replying to a lot of EVE-O forum threads, I'm sorry. I'll be doing my best, particularly in Jita Park and in Features and Ideas. But even for robo-blogger there are limits. Expect the other CSM members to operate the same way. Hopefully between the 14 of us, we'll cover all the mediums. The important thing to me is that all the members be involved.

That brings me to the next thing that I'm really thrilled to be seeing this week: we're approaching 100% of CSM8 members being active on one or more of the communications mediums. All CSM8 members are now NDAed, and all but two are quite active. Of the last two, one got on board with a lot of activities this week and the other needs two more weeks to wrap up an overseas job he's in the middle of. At our Team Five-Oh stake-holder meeting this week, 11 of 14 CSM members were in attendance: more than Skype video-conferencing could support! Fortunately, we could handle those few remaining questions we had for the team via voice chat. It may be an issue later in the year; I've already started joking that we need to split CSM8 and assign the two halves to be stake-holders on two different teams...

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You seem to be obliquely responding to me here, referring to the criticism of of "Activist CSM" (a phrase I levelled at you) and wondering what you could have done about the launcher problems.

First I'd like to stipulate a few things:

There are a lot of areas I think CSM8 is doing a great job on. I am pleased to hear about how well the handover is going and that so many of you attending the meetings. There has been some excellent starts to better communication. Kesper's apparently gotten on board now that he's done with his exams. Really pulling for you all to show us some great things.

Also, I think that CCP did about as good as they could have done in damage control efforts. A really good job with the Mea Culpas, listening to the community and communicating at that stage. Not much CSM could have done to improve. But the relative silence and even denigrating people who had issues by some of your members was not helpful. Calling this a minor non-event was not helpful, nor real leadership. It was reactivist, even to a sense apologist, response.

It would have been great if you had picked up on the serious issues reported before hand and taken up the cause that CCP needed to work on this iteration of the launcher. But this was done with such a rush that I have to admit to myself, I may not have caught it either, if I was in your shoes.

But "sanity checking" CCP IS part of the CSM job description. CSM 7 failed to heed the warnings and passed off legitimate concerns about Unified Inventory as "fear of change", that was perhaps their greatest failing. I'd like us to learn from that lesson.

Every challenge and failure brings with it an opportunity. I don't see that we are capitalizing on that, with proper leadership we could recover in a way that makes EVE a better game and CCP a better company. I am pushing here not because I want to say "you suck" (I don't think you do), but because that window of opportunity is still open and I want to see us take advantage of it.

I'll close by quoting my prior response to Mynnna and Ali when asked about how things could have been handled better:



Anyway, I'll be dropping this soon as that window is closing, but I really think release quality is an issue that deserves some attention.

Any update on this post from two months ago? That is not NDA locked.

http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2013/03/pic-of-week-skill-tree.html

First post does not have links from the second and third weeks.

mea culpa, coulda sworn I was clean at that point.

must be all the lies I didn't tell during the election fighting to get out.

and my aren't you looking good today.

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This is how I feel whenever I think about writing about something.