Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I don't have problem with the clone cost... I have a problem with the time between to cone jumps.
Please think about a skill that would reduce the time between two clone jumps by 10% per level or even 5%!!
It would be so great!

I think he's just trolling us. Either that or he is just that dumb and shouldn't be taken seriously.

It's probably best to just ignore him either way, quoting him just gives his stupid ideas some level of validity and promotes further bad-posting.

Sorry to burst your bubble but eve is a sandbox, not a head to head competition. Especially not a FAIR head to head competition. Much like CCP Soundwave pointed out that although people organize tournaments, there is no real place for them in EvE, because there is no safe place in EvE to guarantee Fairness, because Fairness is not one of EvE's principles.

If you had any notions about design principles, it is mandatory that a improvement feels like an improvement to drive progression otherwise nobody would bother training 36 days for 1% more. Better needs to feel better. Investment of time and effort has to translate into a proportionally improvement. Also last time i checked "Grinding levels, Gold, ISK, or Skills in order to "feel" powerful is a theme park idea" was the whole point of an MMO, an MMO is a theme park for entertainment.

I'm really curios what is EvE to you? Cause EvE is many things to many people, but your view of it is pretty weird. I don;t know if you deliberately choose not to see some sides of EvE or you don;t really know EvE enough.

Id personally rather see insurance that pony's up to the cost of t1 and t2 (especially) ships and their modules.

Spending hundreds of hours grinding rats or missions just so you can buy a fancy t2 and get 10% of your investment back when it gets blown up dont make sense.

Make clones free and no SP loss ever.

Players pay their sub and then also have to click on some silly button to protect what they paid for is a pretty poor way to treat customers. It's not PVP risk, it's GUI risk.

This is a nice first step. I look forward to even further improvements in the clone mechanics.

I am sure that I'm not the only one who would love to see the following things;
1. Reduced/eliminated cool-down when switching between jump clones (could look into cost per JC activation as I saw another poster mention).
-o- A skill implemented to reduce/eliminate the cooldown would accomplish this.
Skill: Infomorph Host Reconfiguration (Rank 5)
Bonus: Reduces the Jump Clone cooldown time 4% per level (effectively allowing JC every ~2h 20m @ LVL 5 skills)
Prerequisite: Infomorph Psychology 3
-o- This one of the frequent causes for pilots to miss opportunities for fights.
-o- JC out to a distant system (0.0 --> HiSec for example). Ping goes out that a strat op has just been called for later that day/evening but you are effectively out of the fight. All due to clone game mechanics.
-o- There is either a time constraint (the cool down) or it's cost prohibitive to death clone back (clone costs and/or implant costs).

2. Ability to jump clone within the same station without destroying a jump clone if one is already present (see above - could be a cost to jump into a clone in the same station, something along the lines of "Scotty the Engineer needs to free up a clone vat capsule" or something).
-o- A skill implemented to increase the number of jump clones able to be stored in a single station
Skill: Infomorph Bio-Management (Rank 8)
Bonus: Increases the number of Jump Clones allowable in a single station by 1 per level (Note: Does not alter the total number available of Jump Clones provided by the Infomorph Psychology skill)
Prerequisite: Infomorph Host Reconfiguration 3
-o- Travelling to a station that just so happens to have a JC already and an emergency arises necessitating the use of a JC many regions away. This is rarely done in many cases because the JC already present in the station has specialized implants and death cloning might not be an option either for the same reason.
-o- In the example from #1, this mechanic could allow a pilot to have multiple JC in a single station thereby making the pilot's choice "to pew or not to pew" less a question of implant/clone economics than it currently is.

3. Ability to jump clone into and out of w-space. Either from a POS Clone Vat bay or a Rorq clone vat bay. These things must be the most underused POS mods and capital mods in the game.(This has been requested numerous times over the years - but wh combat gang compositions change rapidly depending on who you might be fighting or expecting to fight or what effects the wh you're planning a fight in has - jumping out to some empire location, to the JC, possibly on the other side of the universe from the location you found then slow boating back means that JCs aren't used to their full potential by worm-holers).

These next few are not necessarily tied to clones per se.
4. Ability to alter the implants plugged in both to jump clones and the existing "active clone." This could be accomplished through the use of a skill (similar to reverse engineering) granting a % chance to succeed at removal of the implant in a functional state. This same skill could be leveraged to harvest implants from corpses.
-o- A skill implemented to offer a % chance of "salvaging" implants from clone corpses
Skill: Infomorph Augmentation Recovery
Bonus: Increases the chance of recovering implants by 10% per level per plugged in implant
Prerequisite: Cybernetics 3 & Biology 3 & Nanite Operation 2

5. Clone implant harvesting (see #4).
-o- A reason beyond the meta (bragging/trophy) to collect pod corpses.
-o- Allows for additional gameplay options for battlefield salvagers
-o- Could offer an interesting market possibility in salable corpses, corpse recovery services, scamming possibilities that in turn offer their own risk/reward etc.

While I'm always for any removal of "PvI" (...versus interface) elements from any game, clones aren't purely GUI factor due to them having objective cost. I'm all for implementing something like clone update menu popping up automatially after podding or adding warning for when you are about to undock with insufficient clone (we even have them for insufficient cargo space when taking on distribution missions, dammit), but costs are different matter altogether. And before I get flamed, yes, I think that such GUI elements must be customizable at least in terms of them being enabled/disabled.

Then again, seeing how those are going down, who knows what CCP will eventually do.

My concern has never been the cost of the clone itself, usually I have implants in my clones that are worth more than the upgrade costs.

What I hate, and I am sure I am not in the same boat, if I use a jump clone to go to another region of space for a single night of activity, my toon is essentially unplayable for the following night because of where it ended up the previous night due to the single minded cooldown timer of 24 hours for the jump clone. I am sure the original thought in this cooldown was not to put a player out of the game for a day, but that is what it does.

We need a skill to reduce the timer so players can more freely use the jump clones, or charge a fee for jump cloning early or anything that is less than 24 hours.

Why not allow multiple clones in the same station? Nothing worse than jumping in a rush and not thinking that the warning message you just ignored destroyed your best set of implants. -p

+1

You can already do this. It generally helps to have an understanding of game mechanics when you're trying to suggest changes to developers, otherwise you end up looking like you don't know what you're talking about and it diminishes the rest of what you're trying to say, however valid.