EVE General Discussion

I don't understand what this thread is about.

Dear Lord, this thread

Sorry but this game is very much based upon pvp. Anyone insisting that they should be exempt from it is playing the wrong game and should probably go to something like STO which is a pve based MMO.

So you think it is perfectly fine to be able to avoid the entire wardec mechanic at the push of a button the second the wardec lands at no cost or incovenience to yourself?

One in theory could mine and build their own ships and ammo and then earn all their isk from mission running all without ever interacting with another human.

Though rare, I've heard of few people that wanted to be self sufficient without player interaction.

I don't see it as a great way to play though.

Yes....yes I do. It is no different than any other game mechanic you take advantage of to kill an opponent already at a great disadvantage. Let’s get to the real issue you have....you want to be able to kill miners and Indy at a profit. The ability to kill them is already in the game so nothing broken working as intended. You state even the devs said the mechanic wasn’t working as they hoped. To which I state they have said ganking wasn’t meant to be profitable just possible.

Kill miners all day and night if that’s your thing but do so at your own personal cost...called balance. You may just have to mine and Indy to fund that game play style.

Or heaven forbid go reset someone in null and play against other players trained skilled and ready for pvp, but they wouldn’t be easy mode or provide that misguided since of superiority.

I also don't think there should ever be some immunity mechanic. On the other hand I am pretty interested in non-linear play and the things that reveals and makes possible...

In your example above what happens if we remove or change your first assumption: he wants ISK?

ISK is still exchanged. We can posit motives, but we actually have no idea what he wants. We see events and behaviors. We can even measure them. They have no inherent meaning, as is the case with all data.

We must add context to ascribe meaning, as we spoke of elsewhere. This is true even if we take the context to be a self evident pre-given condition. This is why I asked about the minimum context required to play the game. It does not seem to ever include anything about win/lose, attain this or that, etc. There are some prescriptions, but very, very few and none of those seem to imply anything about a necessary or fixed context. Nothing is required about competition or any of that.

The structure is made so we can compete. There is nothing required about competition, winning or losing as a frame. The inclination is to view someone not competing as losing. This is simply not the case. It is a construction and not one hard wired into the game. The reason it feels important to me not to have some mechanic that completely insulates a player in some part of the EVErse has nothing to do with a PvP frame, however we define that. It has to do with compromising the sandbox by creating authority in the game outside of any ability for player narrative to influence this. This creates evidence that the game 'should' be some way or another vested in some mediating authority. That in turn is a structure for griefing and victimization built into the game, rather than explicitly generated by the players.

Why? Well in practice it eliminates the ability to say: the game is X. How then would we make the statement: the game is PvP. What would we say instead?

STO sucks, i played it when i had no money for the real thing. I was sadly dissapointed.

PvP is a HUGE part of EVE, i agree. But, it is not the only thing. While some say that the hisecers only exist because low and null PvP buys all their good. Their may be some validity to this, then the opposite would be true. PvP Null/low sec only exist because Hisec (carbears) are mining and grinding. Thus making it easier to procure certain items. So while yes a lot play for the sole peurpose of blowing things up, the flip side is a lot of people play to funnel parts and equipment into the war effort. So, thus is the circle.