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SOV grind boredom.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#41 - 2013-05-18 03:12:03 UTC
Sir Marksalot wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
I am not sure why people hate them so damn much. My guess is because they are jealous of thier success. They are good at using the game mecanics/rules to thier advantage. All they do is technically available to everyone but most people are too lazy to put the effort into it so they would rather cry about how goons are evil for dominating one thing or another insetad of putting the effort into getting thier own share of the pie. This kind of hate is present IRL too anyway so it's not all that surprising to see in a game.

We're members of a somewhat insular community that started playing a particular videogame together. So who cares when some of the dumber residents of the game start unironically comparing us to ******? Copy the chatlogs and post them on the forums for all to enjoy.

Telling them how they're wrong is bad for everyone's entertainment.

Poast eet awl plz

If you'd post those chatlogs, it would definitely help liven up the forums.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#42 - 2013-05-18 03:34:36 UTC
Danni stark wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Super spikinator wrote:
Akali Kuvakei wrote:
Wait waaaa? If this is true we are going to lose our space. Ohhhh nooo! I think I'll get on the phone and call PL and GSF to come halp us. Ohhhh wait they are already grinding our space. Ohhh well back to high sec I guess.

Your alliance lives in Delve. It is inevitable.

I read somewhere that GSF setup TEST in delve so they would not have to re-invade every years.

is that rustling sound i hear the sound of tinfoil folded in to the shape of a hat?

I actually heard something like that. At least to help "stabilize" the area.

But that obviously didn't work.Time to set things on fire again.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2013-05-19 06:36:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Alaric Faelen
Grinding sov is boring not only because shooting structures is boring, but because it's not just one grind to get thru. You can usually get people behind taking a system or two before fatigue sets in. Goofy timer settings turn Eve into a job by literally making people set alarm clocks and sometimes, skip work. It also takes very little counter attack to upset an invasion- which sounds okay, but in practical terms it amounts to griefing more than epic PvP.

It's the sum of it's parts that makes it a hard sell to get alliances off to war. There are fewer FC's than people think, and they get burnt out, much less the new guy who's dreams of epic space war amounts to orbiting a POS and spamming F1....for hours.....for days....

Given that you can't realistically just take a system here or there- any sov war always means taking a bunch of systems, one by one, with the same grind each time. It's all or nothing, and most alliances know that ALL isn't really an option. Especially with summer coming and less player activity.

While I agree the current structure grind is preventing more wars than lack of desire to fight, I absolutely disagree with the notion that sov should be in any way linked to PvE. Whatever rats show up is irrelevant to holding a system. There are constant rats in high sec yet the empires don't lose sov.
We are not care bears, and PvE in the antithesis of what sov is all about in the first place. We'd rather be stuck with grinding ANOTHER PLAYERS structures, than base sov on any PvE nonsense. If our only option is a grind- we'll grind PvP thank you
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#44 - 2013-05-19 10:08:07 UTC
If it were up to me, you would be made to mine the HP walls.

350 Hulks and an Orca to grind down that TCU plz.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#45 - 2013-05-20 07:05:42 UTC
Alaric Faelen wrote:
Grinding sov is boring not only because shooting structures is boring, but because it's not just one grind to get thru. You can usually get people behind taking a system or two before fatigue sets in. Goofy timer settings turn Eve into a job by literally making people set alarm clocks and sometimes, skip work. It also takes very little counter attack to upset an invasion- which sounds okay, but in practical terms it amounts to griefing more than epic PvP.

It's the sum of it's parts that makes it a hard sell to get alliances off to war. There are fewer FC's than people think, and they get burnt out, much less the new guy who's dreams of epic space war amounts to orbiting a POS and spamming F1....for hours.....for days....

That is why DaBigRedBoat is the CFC's ultraweapon in sovereignty based conflicts.

And he even tells stories when you shoot sov structure

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2013-05-20 15:59:49 UTC
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That is why DaBigRedBoat is the CFC's ultraweapon in sovereignty based conflicts.

And he even tells stories when you shoot sov structure


--the fleet p0rn is better in Cloud Ring..Big smile
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#47 - 2013-05-20 16:13:01 UTC
EI Digin wrote:
If you think that warfare in 0.0 is so entertaining why don't you step up and start up your own little coalition and do it yourself instead of depending on other people for content?



Because usually PL or NCDOT (depending on the bloc) will drop a ton of supers to change the station back into friendly hands... Like you did over in Etherium Reach a few months back.

Not a diplo. 

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