Ships & Modules

I think I gave you the current simplest, most powerful, cheapest option already. I'm sorry warping around the field isn't to your liking; it's really quite effective and helpful to finish what you came to do (i.e., kill everything you need to without warping out).

Having said that, the one you linked from battleclinic is more or less the "old" standard fit before MJDs came out. It can also work.

If you want a simpler missions battleship, you could try a Dominix. Otherwise the Raven is about as straightforward as they come and rather forgiving on skills as they go. Your Abaddon idea.... no, don't do that. That's quite possibly the only rival to the (current) Typhoon as far as required skills go.

I don't know. I'm trying to help here but you're making it very, very hard. If you'd rather not listen to advice then by all means don't. But it isn't simply an elitist attitude that keeps getting you shot down, it's a hell of a lot of long-term knowledge about how things actually play out in game. Take it or leave it.

"Lord Gisborne wrote:
So what is the best all around noob friendly raven mission lv 4 running fit? no fancy tactics like 100k warping about etc, something powerful and simple and cheap?"

lol, say hello to fancy tactics for me.

Lord Gisborne,

The difference of passive tanking, between the Drake and the Raven, is simply in the recharge time.

My CNR has 14000hp shield capacity, but it has a recharge time of 2542s.

My Drake has 13125 shield capacity, (with 2 LSE II), but it has a recharge time of 1050s.

By adding SPRs the recharge time is reduced. Three SPRs on a Drake can bring the recharge time down to about 460s. The Drake was made for passive tanking.

SPRs on a Raven just don't bring down the recharge to really be effective. So, it would be better not to passive tank the Raven.

Shield rechargers and purgers also reduce the recharge time of the shields.

Also, fitting a Raven cheaply, just could give you a lot of difficulty in the L4s. Sure, it can be done, you'll just have to be careful in some missions.

-Jaz

X-Large Shield Booster, 3 mission specific hardeners and a Heavy Capacitor Booster is a good low skill tank setup. If you're really new to missions I'd throw in a Shield Boost Amp as well and that should be plenty tank for L4s even with low skills. I ran that setup when I was very new to L4s and it never failed me (obviously you have to be careful with triggers and aggroing the whole room)

heheh... i never did such a thing >_<

Lord Gisborne wrote:

"Yea, i know, we created people like you and then had you rebel and murder in the name of freedom but really for money and then you committed genocide on the native population... go freedom, So yes poor me... ill take the deeds of my homeland anyday."

Out in Durango, CO, and most likely throughout the SW of the US, some stores sell t-shirts that have a picture of some native Indians on the front. The caption above them reads something like: "Fighting Terrorism Since 1848"

When I see that shirt in the stores I chuckle. Reading this post of yours made me think of that.

-Kirst

I've played on/off for 4 years lol, but i stop playing for ages then forget, i never got into a corp so i get bored and end up breaking.

This topic is quite hilarious to me.

Context: Gisborne is a friend of mine and was asking me yesterday about fitting a Raven.
He was already planning on fitting a Passive raven and didn't believe anything I said about how it would be an easy ticket to getting his ship blown up.
Obviously he didn't believe me and made this topic is the hopes of being proven right.


Or maybe it happened the other way around?

Either way Thanks for 'trying' to help him get a better Raven fit.



Also on that stupid topic of Brits vs. Americans, The brits were trying to protect the indians and their lands, more personnel and weapons were brought in to make sure they were protected against business entrepreneurs trying to steal land to make money.
This was spun into being done to 'oppress' the people by said people.

Interestingly enough, same happened with that time they throw a lot of tea into the harbour, it wasn't because the taxes were to high but because those same business men were going to loose profit due to tax changes.

That's not actually the case, honestly. You can passive tank the raven to have a fairly solid tank just fine, but the problem is that it will have almost zero DPS (figuratively) as a result. If you run a passive tank build with two BCS2s, a rack of cruise launchers (fitting issues and no AB), and a pair of 800mm ACs you'll end up with two thirds the DPS of the armor fit I posted with barely 5% more tank. Worse than that if you discount gun DPS the cruise raven only pushes 34% of the siege raven's DPS. Even worse still the armor fit I posted would probably do more effective DPS due to the three painters and the webbers for anything stupid enough to get in that close, something worth considering if you do a lot of angel missions I imagine.

Still, with two BCSes the ship tanks 428 DPS (for whatever that's worth given that what I use for rat damage spread might not be the same as what others use), while one BCS yields a tank of 563 and a full rack of SPRs (no BCSes) provides a tank of 741 DPS. Not going to lose the ship anytime soon, but it'll probably take at least as long to do missions as it would in a fully tanked drake if not longer.



I wouldn't really recommend the scorpion for mission fits to someone who's having issues figuring out what to do already. The scorpion can handle an active and a passive tank (passive shield tank is approximately the same as the raven in light of the raven's extra low slot needing to go to an SPR2 to compensate for the scorpion's extra mid slots) fairly well, even an armor tank too, but raw damage output is going to be low enough that even if you use the mid slots for copious amounts of damage application modules the ship's going to be lagging a bit, even with an active shield tank so that you can make use of the two extra mids (over the raven) and devote more lows to raw damage mods.