Ships & Modules

News! Thank you for the update. When considering mobility please look at agility, time to warp, and warp speed as opposed to speed.

It doesn't need allot of ehp to fufill the role. If adaptation can be translated to the deep space transport, that'll do.

I am sick of having to haul 800,000 m3, 20,000m3 at a time.

I will freighter 800,000 to a location, then spend 1 to 2 hours literally taking itty bits of it back and forth where it needs to go. That is not fun. Literally unfun. Waste of time, boring. Give me a ship that can hold 150,000 m3. It saves me an hour and a half. I can go do other things, join my fleet mates, and have a good time.

It needs to be addressed. I am solely concerned about mass and m3.

all else must fail.



on a serious note, industrials should have cargo refitting, like on Transport tycoon deluxe. say an ittyV can choose between different configurations 40km3 of cargo unrestricted, 100k but only of capital parts with an increase in tank and lower align, 60k but only of ore/minerals with a lower tank and increased align speed, 200k but only for ship hulls, paired with increased tank and much longer align time. and lower cargo/ better tank/alignment for a transport like experience on a budget.

it can be done with the subsystem interface that's already in place.

not being able to move capital parts/ship hulls sucks, and no, a 700m isk mining command ship is not a solution.

Honestly you could just make 3 ORE haulers, then have some :lore:

With ORE producing a new line of hi-tech transport ships at such a low price point, the Empires are unable to compete and as such have discontinued production of their own transports in favour of importing them from ORE.

Kinda like Detroit and China.


If you really MUST have a racial variant, then that's fine, you can still build them. Like a 60's Mustang or GTHO, or you can buy the ones with Air Con and cruise control from China.

I love procurers. If you put a dcu on a retriever to have any tank at all, it's the same yield but the procurer has near twice the ehp. Plus when the belts are far away there's enough cap to not have to double jump. They rock.

What didn't make sense to me was that a mining barge carrying 4-5 mil of ore is 2-3x ehp of an industrial ship that's probably carrying more valuable stuff than that.

The orca changes look to make orca more accessible as a mini-freighter without having to be a miner first. That's great but how do you afford one when the prior stage in haulers is 30,000 m3 and made of tissue paper?

I'd like to see all the industrials be slightly more tanky and/or have higher max cargo so that you don't have to put max cargo expanders and rigs just to get the job done only to die if anything sneezes at you.

However I think making the gradation be small = tanky and speedy to large = slow and paperthin is a mistake and they need to have appropriate tankiness for the size. Speed = less cargo and bigger cargo = less speed. Big size = bigger tank. Small size = less cargo = speedier.

In order of MAX cargo I'd like to see:
1 SUPERFAST/Tiny Cargo 5,000 m3 - Minmatar Mk1
2 FAST/Most Flexible Fitting/Low Cargo 15,000 m3 - Amarr Mk1 Caldari Mk1 Gallente Mk1 Minmatar Mk2 (enough cargohold and lows to add some tank for around 10,000 m3 cargo "average use" fit)
3 Standard/LESS FAST/Small Cargo 20,000 m3 - Gallente Mk2 Minmatar Mk3
4 SUPER TANKY/Medium Cargo 30,000 m3 - Amarr Mk2 Gallente Mk3
5 BIG CARGO 50,000 m3/MediumTanky - Caldari Mk2 Gallente Mk4 Minmatar Mk4
6 HUGE CARGO 60,000 m3/Not Flexible Fitting/StillTanky - Gallente Mk5

Orca is still higher m3 (still the mini-freighter) but this would even out the progression a ton.

I also love the racial advantages in the current industrials and would be sad to see them all be the same 3 ships. This would have 6 ship classes divided among 4 races and keep the flavour of our current beloved indy's while making them actually useful on the spacelanes.

Racial Priorities
Amarr - TANKY: Flexibility (leans towards tankiness via bonuses?), Supertanky
Caldari - PRIORITIZATION: Flexibility, Big Cargo
Gallente - CHOICE: Flexibility, Standard, Supertanky, Big Cargo, HUGE Cargo
Minmatar - SPEED: Superfast, Flexibility (leans towards speed via bonuses?), Standard, Big Cargo


T2s need a bit more cargohold as well. :P

The entry level haulers would be much more flexible and capable of being fitted for a particular job - higher tank, speed, or cargo. The higher cargo haulers would see much favor in wormholes and for PI, and would be great as a poor noob's ore hauler when they can't afford an orca yet. I'd like to see the prices stay fairly low despite that more ore would be needed to build more tank, but reflect the way the ships would be more specialized in purpose.

Anyway, just an idea to make hauling less of a chore.

I'd like to see a Industrial set up specificly for the movement of fitted ships.

If possible much like a trailer for cars on a truck of train, so it's visable what ships are transported, (works directly as a drawback,)


as or the Deep Space Transports.

Either give them more cargohold so they have some use in high sec, or give them some nullifier effect so the have better survivablility in 0.0.

On my specialized hauler char my Sigils align in 5.3s, go at 244 m/s (560 m/s ab) and warp at 8.9 au/s. It still goes at 61m/s when cloaked. I could swap the rigs for more subwarp speed, but I'm fine with the stats as they currently are. In fact, the only thing CCP could improve in my view is m3 .

If they make this thing any faster, the only remaining difference to a T2 Transport would be the cov ops cloak and subwarp speed when cloaked.

Currently, people almost HAVE to go for max cargo just to get the job done. If there were more m3 as a baseline we'd suddenly see a lot more variety in industrials - rigged for tank, speed OR cargo instead of OMG MUST HAVE MOAR M3. I'd love a speedy, tiny hauler for the tiny jobs (instead of trying to put cargo expanders+rigs on a frig, lol!) Even more I'd love an ore/ship hauler in between the current Itty V and the Orca.

T2 blockade runners almost give me my tiny speedy hauler but way too expensive and a long train. Haulers should be alts, not mains, unless you want to train them for all hauling types just because you feel like it. T2 DST isn't what I need in a pre-Orca ore hauler with 50,000 m3 bay.

Sigil is lovely, it's so much prettier than the Bestower too. Maybe I should train Amarr... but then I'd have to take time from my main. Too much to train on my main still, to make moneys, to afford an orca... haha.

For the gallente you can have 2 ships that are in-betweeners. Say one half mobility and half cargo and the other half mobility half defense, or half defense and half cargo. Or give them one well rounded cargo ship that has a good balance between all three and have the other one as either a more expensive upgrade of that ship or maybe an armed trap ship. Oh look, it's a freighter... with 125 bandwidth and 8 high slots.

The last two Gallente Industrials should be Battle Industrials maybe make 1 with a decent sized Drone Bay for "SURPRISE" and maybe make a 3 Hard Point other Industrial... They could be Gallente Q-Ships. and against anything other then frigs and maybe destroyers there combat capability would be novelty.