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Firnas
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#201 - 2013-05-19 22:44:53 UTC
This essentially saves no money except the potential character transfer fee at the end for someone who trains alts and then consolidates them.

In fact, you can't save as much as you could if you were planning on having a long term alt and wanted to pay more than monthly.


Unless there is a discount, if one plex = one month, I don't really see how this is anything other than a bit of flexibility at the expense of even more expensive alts.

Unimpressed.
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#202 - 2013-05-19 22:52:51 UTC
TravelBuoy wrote:

Idiotism.

"Train your main while you also creating those destroyer ganking alts that ccp is fond of.
Train your main while you make that perfect mining alt.
Train your main while you get perfect PI on your other two characters
Train your main while you make that freighter alt on the pvp toons account. "

Those options u cant do on another account ? Yes u can, and get an advantage to log on anytime when your main is online too.
and you get those options on your second account for cheaper.
This is just an another ISK sink with plex price manipulation.


/sigh.


Kusum Fawn wrote:

I think a lot of people are missing the point of this game mechanic addition. This is not to create a second whole character, but to train a support alt without having to sacrifice the mains training time.

I am guessing that the CCP intended time frame for use would be about three months on any particular account. and not longer then that. This is not a second subscription, this is not a second main character. Complaining about it in such terms is dumb.


There are benefits to having multiple trained characters on the same account. There are benefits to not having to pay for multiple accounts. Dont get stupid and talk about how plexing an account isn't paying we both know its a form of payment.

A second account must be continually plexed, a secondary trained character does not thats the difference and its a fairly big one.
If you feel the need to have a continually training second character then it is pretty obvious that this is not directly aimed at you.

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Giribaldi
State War Academy
Caldari State
#203 - 2013-05-19 23:17:26 UTC
Kusum Fawn wrote:
TravelBuoy wrote:

Idiotism.

"Train your main while you also creating those destroyer ganking alts that ccp is fond of.
Train your main while you make that perfect mining alt.
Train your main while you get perfect PI on your other two characters
Train your main while you make that freighter alt on the pvp toons account. "

Those options u cant do on another account ? Yes u can, and get an advantage to log on anytime when your main is online too.
and you get those options on your second account for cheaper.
This is just an another ISK sink with plex price manipulation.


/sigh.


Kusum Fawn wrote:

I think a lot of people are missing the point of this game mechanic addition. This is not to create a second whole character, but to train a support alt without having to sacrifice the mains training time.

I am guessing that the CCP intended time frame for use would be about three months on any particular account. and not longer then that. This is not a second subscription, this is not a second main character. Complaining about it in such terms is dumb.


There are benefits to having multiple trained characters on the same account. There are benefits to not having to pay for multiple accounts. Dont get stupid and talk about how plexing an account isn't paying we both know its a form of payment.

A second account must be continually plexed, a secondary trained character does not thats the difference and its a fairly big one.
If you feel the need to have a continually training second character then it is pretty obvious that this is not directly aimed at you.


Were not saying that,, Were simply saying that AS oF RIGHT NOW... let me put it into NUMBERS for u to udnerstand...

Character Transfer Fee $20 USD
Account Sub Fee $15 USD
Dual Character Training $20 USD ~ 1 PLEX

with this math if u are using Dual Training for more then a 3 MONTHS u are actually SPENDING 5$ less on eve then you would on just training on a 2nd acount and then paying the transfer fee.

Example:

2 Accounts, 3 months of 1 month Sub fee 45$ x (times) 2 (2 accounts) = 90$ + transfer fee onto Main account 20$ = 110$

1 Account, 3 months of 1 month Sub fee 45$ + Dual train Fee for 3 months $60 = $105

Now then if you have a toon ALREADY on ur account and he just needs LESS THEN 3 months of training BY ALLLL MEANS please do it with dual training at cost of 3 plex's.. but if ur going 2 spend more then 3 months training on a toon that's just going to sit on ur main for use of researching manufacturing mining WH sitter ECT!!!!!!! (list goes on) then PLEASE go the cheap router and get a 2nd account... THAT is what everyone is ARGUING... its useless if it needs 2 be trained for 3+ months (which MOST toons need 2 be in order 2 do something..
TravelBuoy
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#204 - 2013-05-20 00:55:18 UTC  |  Edited by: TravelBuoy
Giribaldi wrote:
Kusum Fawn wrote:
TravelBuoy wrote:

Idiotism.

"Train your main while you also creating those destroyer ganking alts that ccp is fond of.
Train your main while you make that perfect mining alt.
Train your main while you get perfect PI on your other two characters
Train your main while you make that freighter alt on the pvp toons account. "

Those options u cant do on another account ? Yes u can, and get an advantage to log on anytime when your main is online too.
and you get those options on your second account for cheaper.
This is just an another ISK sink with plex price manipulation.


/sigh.


Kusum Fawn wrote:

I think a lot of people are missing the point of this game mechanic addition. This is not to create a second whole character, but to train a support alt without having to sacrifice the mains training time.

I am guessing that the CCP intended time frame for use would be about three months on any particular account. and not longer then that. This is not a second subscription, this is not a second main character. Complaining about it in such terms is dumb.


There are benefits to having multiple trained characters on the same account. There are benefits to not having to pay for multiple accounts. Dont get stupid and talk about how plexing an account isn't paying we both know its a form of payment.

A second account must be continually plexed, a secondary trained character does not thats the difference and its a fairly big one.
If you feel the need to have a continually training second character then it is pretty obvious that this is not directly aimed at you.


Were not saying that,, Were simply saying that AS oF RIGHT NOW... let me put it into NUMBERS for u to udnerstand...

Character Transfer Fee $20 USD
Account Sub Fee $15 USD
Dual Character Training $20 USD ~ 1 PLEX

with this math if u are using Dual Training for more then a 3 MONTHS u are actually SPENDING 5$ less on eve then you would on just training on a 2nd acount and then paying the transfer fee.

Example:

2 Accounts, 3 months of 1 month Sub fee 45$ x (times) 2 (2 accounts) = 90$ + transfer fee onto Main account 20$ = 110$

1 Account, 3 months of 1 month Sub fee 45$ + Dual train Fee for 3 months $60 = $105

Now then if you have a toon ALREADY on ur account and he just needs LESS THEN 3 months of training BY ALLLL MEANS please do it with dual training at cost of 3 plex's.. but if ur going 2 spend more then 3 months training on a toon that's just going to sit on ur main for use of researching manufacturing mining WH sitter ECT!!!!!!! (list goes on) then PLEASE go the cheap router and get a 2nd account... THAT is what everyone is ARGUING... its useless if it needs 2 be trained for 3+ months (which MOST toons need 2 be in order 2 do something..


Forget it she is an idiot and cant calculate those numbers.
And we dont speak the another problems. For the PLEX ISK prices.
They told, thats irrevelant. Really ? When the players can use PLEX on main account too? When they can use for character transfer ? When they can convert to Aurum ? When they can perform Character Resculpt with PLEX ?

And the separated account much better with cheaper prices and advantage for log on with same time, just a tard cant understand this.
Not need a character on same account, if someone just want to train it, because they cant log in with same time.
Dont give any advantages an alt on same account with main, just if thats cheaper than the other account option.
And other thing, who will use an dual training,he need everytime synchronise the PLEX date, with main character or the dual training go to off mode, when the first plex time is over.
Krops Vont
#205 - 2013-05-20 01:26:00 UTC
Consider when you add the 2nd plex, it enables the dual character training and adds more days?

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Giribaldi
State War Academy
Caldari State
#206 - 2013-05-20 05:34:21 UTC
DOn't get me wrong forum im in no way saying that the DEV's and the Gm's arent doing there job very well.. QUite hte opposite, we dont give them credit when credit is do they are WILDLY over worked and simply cant DIVE deep inside things to see everything so they rely on US as there loyal customers and reader's to help them see the things they miss... BUT when u have idiots who have the time and simple chose not to READ into it and do some basic math... its stupid for them to even offer a IDEA or an Opinion! when they are do F!&@ lazy to use there brain a bit and read what ACTUALLY is going on...

P.S. I LOVE CCP FOZZIE and a few other GM's POWER TO THE GM's!!!! (Just not to much i dont wanna shoot at one and get my mods turned off... rofl)
Highauger's animated corpse
Jove Observation And Neutrality Negotiations Act
#207 - 2013-05-20 06:19:31 UTC
No it's not better than two accounts.

No it's not better than 10 playable toons on one super-account.

Yes it is still a very nice addition.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#208 - 2013-05-20 06:52:17 UTC
Giribaldi wrote:
Kusum Fawn wrote:
TravelBuoy wrote:

Idiotism.

"Train your main while you also creating those destroyer ganking alts that ccp is fond of.
Train your main while you make that perfect mining alt.
Train your main while you get perfect PI on your other two characters
Train your main while you make that freighter alt on the pvp toons account. "

Those options u cant do on another account ? Yes u can, and get an advantage to log on anytime when your main is online too.
and you get those options on your second account for cheaper.
This is just an another ISK sink with plex price manipulation.


/sigh.


Kusum Fawn wrote:

I think a lot of people are missing the point of this game mechanic addition. This is not to create a second whole character, but to train a support alt without having to sacrifice the mains training time.

I am guessing that the CCP intended time frame for use would be about three months on any particular account. and not longer then that. This is not a second subscription, this is not a second main character. Complaining about it in such terms is dumb.


There are benefits to having multiple trained characters on the same account. There are benefits to not having to pay for multiple accounts. Dont get stupid and talk about how plexing an account isn't paying we both know its a form of payment.

A second account must be continually plexed, a secondary trained character does not thats the difference and its a fairly big one.
If you feel the need to have a continually training second character then it is pretty obvious that this is not directly aimed at you.


Were not saying that,, Were simply saying that AS oF RIGHT NOW... let me put it into NUMBERS for u to udnerstand...

Character Transfer Fee $20 USD
Account Sub Fee $15 USD
Dual Character Training $20 USD ~ 1 PLEX

with this math if u are using Dual Training for more then a 3 MONTHS u are actually SPENDING 5$ less on eve then you would on just training on a 2nd acount and then paying the transfer fee.

Example:

2 Accounts, 3 months of 1 month Sub fee 45$ x (times) 2 (2 accounts) = 90$ + transfer fee onto Main account 20$ = 110$

1 Account, 3 months of 1 month Sub fee 45$ + Dual train Fee for 3 months $60 = $105

Now then if you have a toon ALREADY on ur account and he just needs LESS THEN 3 months of training BY ALLLL MEANS please do it with dual training at cost of 3 plex's.. but if ur going 2 spend more then 3 months training on a toon that's just going to sit on ur main for use of researching manufacturing mining WH sitter ECT!!!!!!! (list goes on) then PLEASE go the cheap router and get a 2nd account... THAT is what everyone is ARGUING... its useless if it needs 2 be trained for 3+ months (which MOST toons need 2 be in order 2 do something..

You're of course forgetting that if someone doesn't want to pay in cash for the transfer fees or for account subscriptions, they use PLEX.

2 accounts: x months of 1 month sub * 2 = 2x plex + 2 plex transfer fee = 2x + 2 plex
1 acct dual: x months of 1 month sub + x months of dual training on that acct = 2x plex

No matter how long you're training for, as long as what you want is an alt that will eventually stop training and will not need to be online at the same time as another character on that account, the dual training will always be the cheaper option if you pay for everything by PLEX.

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dark heartt
#209 - 2013-05-20 07:03:49 UTC  |  Edited by: dark heartt
I really don't understand why so many people are getting so worked up about an optional function that isn't getting forced down your throat in any way. If you don't like it, don't use it.

Yes it may not be cheaper than just having two accounts or as functional (can't log in at the same time, have to keep paying PLEX to train the second character), but here is where the usefulness that I can see comes into it:

At the moment, I have one account subbed with one character running (this character). I do have 3 additional accounts, none of them subbed at the moment as I have no need for those characters and I don't multibox. This change will be useful for me to transfer one of my other characters to this account, do some training for PI, market stuff or hauling, then use it for passive income after the training is complete. So where I would have previously needed to pay for 2 accounts then transfer, I can do it all on one account (sounds better to the wife than two accounts) and then I need not ever pay again.

If you find that using two accounts works for you, then do it. But don't come and complain that a simple quality of life change that you don't HAVE to use is bad, when there are plenty of people out there who will use it.

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TravelBuoy
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#210 - 2013-05-20 08:18:12 UTC
dark heartt wrote:
I really don't understand why so many people are getting so worked up about an optional function that isn't getting forced down your throat in any way. "If you don't like it, don't use it."


And the PLEX ISK prices wont change when dont use it ? Your logic is failed here.
Haedris Gost
Daader-Gost Mining Academy
#211 - 2013-05-20 08:25:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Haedris Gost
After reading the blog, I have this to comment;

The feature seems like a great idea on the surface, but the real problem lies in functionality: The Dual Training on the account doesn't add the functionality of having two characters able to interact during missions or on mining expeditions or when breaking down a complex with one character and salvaging the wrecks with the character on the second account...

Has there been any discussion about allowing the second "activated" character performing in a newly spawned window?

Right now people running two clients on the same computer have to (ALT+TAB) to go to the second client - logged into a separate account - (the second instance of the eve game running in the background) to perform any actions with the second character, but they are both capable of doing things with each other at the same time, so I'd suggest doubling the training time given just to be fair to the people who are paying for the training with a full month's game time.

Thanks for reading!

(and wow, sounds like a lot of other people have had the same thoughts on this.)
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#212 - 2013-05-20 10:37:57 UTC
Haedris Gost wrote:
After reading the blog, I have this to comment;

The feature seems like a great idea on the surface, but the real problem lies in functionality: The Dual Training on the account doesn't add the functionality of having two characters able to interact during missions or on mining expeditions or when breaking down a complex with one character and salvaging the wrecks with the character on the second account...

Has there been any discussion about allowing the second "activated" character performing in a newly spawned window?

Right now people running two clients on the same computer have to (ALT+TAB) to go to the second client - logged into a separate account - (the second instance of the eve game running in the background) to perform any actions with the second character, but they are both capable of doing things with each other at the same time, so I'd suggest doubling the training time given just to be fair to the people who are paying for the training with a full month's game time.

Thanks for reading!

(and wow, sounds like a lot of other people have had the same thoughts on this.)


The functionality you are asking about is provided by running a second acount instead.

Let's try this one more time:

This is a supplemental feature in addition to being able to run a second account. It is intended for limited-skillpoint alts for whom it isn't worth paying for a second account to maintain. All accounts have 3 character slots for this exact reason.

If you need the extra utility of being able to log the alt in at the same time as your main, you pay for a second account. 1 account = 1 login

If you don't need that utility for the alt in question (cyno alt, hauler alt, market alt, PI alt, FW alt, etc etc etc), then you can just buy the skill training time to the amount you require and not have to keep on paying for an extra account once you've skill the alt up as much as is needed.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#213 - 2013-05-20 10:43:02 UTC
Firnas wrote:
This essentially saves no money except the potential character transfer fee at the end for someone who trains alts and then consolidates them.

In fact, you can't save as much as you could if you were planning on having a long term alt and wanted to pay more than monthly.


Unless there is a discount, if one plex = one month, I don't really see how this is anything other than a bit of flexibility at the expense of even more expensive alts.

Unimpressed.


If you only need 1 month's training for the alt, then it's cheaper.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#214 - 2013-05-20 11:58:11 UTC
I'm really not understanding the complaints. This is a great, flexible feature. I already have multiple accounts. Each account has a couple of alts on it who are low SP and tightly focused. They are basically cyno pilots and POS gunner/hauler alts. I trained them on one of the other accounts years ago and transferred them. Now I have the option to make them covert cyno pilots and transport ship pilots without stopping my main characters from training and without starting yet another account and paying more transfer fees. It's a great feature for an established player.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#215 - 2013-05-20 12:15:59 UTC
TravelBuoy wrote:
Giribaldi wrote:

Kusum Fawn wrote:

I think a lot of people are missing the point of this game mechanic addition. This is not to create a second whole character, but to train a support alt without having to sacrifice the mains training time.

I am guessing that the CCP intended time frame for use would be about three months on any particular account. and not longer then that. This is not a second subscription, this is not a second main character. Complaining about it in such terms is dumb.
~
There are benefits to having multiple trained characters on the same account. There are benefits to not having to pay for multiple accounts. Dont get stupid and talk about how plexing an account isn't paying we both know its a form of payment.

A second account must be continually plexed, a secondary trained character does not thats the difference and its a fairly big one.
If you feel the need to have a continually training second character then it is pretty obvious that this is not directly aimed at you.


Were not saying that,, Were simply saying that AS oF RIGHT NOW... let me put it into NUMBERS for u to udnerstand...

Character Transfer Fee $20 USD
Account Sub Fee $15 USD
Dual Character Training $20 USD ~ 1 PLEX

with this math if u are using Dual Training for more then a 3 MONTHS u are actually SPENDING 5$ less on eve then you would on just training on a 2nd acount and then paying the transfer fee.

Example:

2 Accounts, 3 months of 1 month Sub fee 45$ x (times) 2 (2 accounts) = 90$ + transfer fee onto Main account 20$ = 110$

1 Account, 3 months of 1 month Sub fee 45$ + Dual train Fee for 3 months $60 = $105

Now then if you have a toon ALREADY on ur account and he just needs LESS THEN 3 months of training BY ALLLL MEANS please do it with dual training at cost of 3 plex's.. but if ur going 2 spend more then 3 months training on a toon that's just going to sit on ur main for use of researching manufacturing mining WH sitter ECT!!!!!!! (list goes on) then PLEASE go the cheap router and get a 2nd account... THAT is what everyone is ARGUING... its useless if it needs 2 be trained for 3+ months (which MOST toons need 2 be in order 2 do something..


Forget it she is an idiot and cant calculate those numbers.
And we dont speak the another problems. For the PLEX ISK prices.
They told, thats irrevelant. Really ? When the players can use PLEX on main account too? When they can use for character transfer ? When they can convert to Aurum ? When they can perform Character Resculpt with PLEX ?

And the separated account much better with cheaper prices and advantage for log on with same time, just a tard cant understand this.
Not need a character on same account, if someone just want to train it, because they cant log in with same time.
Dont give any advantages an alt on same account with main, just if thats cheaper than the other account option.
And other thing, who will use an dual training,he need everytime synchronise the PLEX date, with main character or the dual training go to off mode, when the first plex time is over.


~Giribaldi
Thank you for helping me prove my point, the break is at three months per character kinda like what i said in my first post. If i were to need only a months training between the two of the spare characters it would be cheaper for me to spend two plex and train those two characters for one month each then to attempt some second and third account trading.
Also remember that you are not creating whole characters, they do not have to fly battleships, nor use t2 turrets, they are alts for specific purposes. Most alts need around three weeks of training to do their specific role well.

~TravelBuoy
Did you even read the post you quoted to try to attack me? I would think that the part of my first post which you've quoted a fair bit now, would have clued you into the time frames that (i am guessing) this game mechanic addition would be intended.

Plex-isk prices are irrelevant. Someone else (perhaps you) are purchasing and selling plex for me to train my alts with.
The price change in plex-isk will determine only if i keep the second / third accounts open. and not the one or two time shot of a months training on an alt. Did the character resculpt bump plex prices? I hadn't noticed.

I would also be paying for a second or third account using plex so the price is nominally the same for me. except one place where i dont have to put any actual cash down

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
TravelBuoy
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#216 - 2013-05-20 13:58:59 UTC
Kusum Fawn wrote:
Did you even read the post you quoted to try to attack me? I would think that the part of my first post which you've quoted a fair bit now, would have clued you into the time frames that (i am guessing) this game mechanic addition would be intended.

Plex-isk prices are irrelevant. Someone else (perhaps you) are purchasing and selling plex for me to train my alts with.
The price change in plex-isk will determine only if i keep the second / third accounts open. and not the one or two time shot of a months training on an alt. Did the character resculpt bump plex prices? I hadn't noticed.

I would also be paying for a second or third account using plex so the price is nominally the same for me. except one place where i dont have to put any actual cash down


first u need to use ur brain.
Irrevelant ? this is ur first idiotism. You think about the plex using just for alt. Your thinks is fail.
The plex useable for main charater too, for transfer (2x plex) etc.
No resculpt ??? its time fir u to learn something http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/30_Day_Pilot's_License_Extension


And again the alt on same account on main, dont give any advantages, but more expensive and dont give to availabilty for the user to log on same time with the main account.


14.99 vs 19.99 and the first option not just cheaper but give more advantages, because can log on with same time with main.
And the plex prices not irrevelant because many player playing with PLEX option and active parts of the Eve economy.
So, really nor irrevelant the PLEX prices is how much costs.
Tommy Nash
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#217 - 2013-05-20 14:26:02 UTC
I dont understand whats the problem with this. Its a feature that will give flexibility. I dont find useful or reasonable to create an extra account and pay each month for a hi-sec hauler or a trader. My main char lost some days of skill queue so that I can have a trader alt in that same account. Now i will be able to upgrade my alt for the price of a PLEX and my main will not suffer for it.

I also have another account for perfect industrialist and this time, yes, its usefull to have the extra account.

About the massive creation of alts with passive income skills... it will not have a great impact since CCP is planning to reduce all sources of passive income as far as I know.

About the PLEX prices, I find there are other factors with a higher impact than this feature like the power of 2 offer or the comming alliance tournament.


Only problem I see is that this feature is comming with power of 2 and the tournamet, PLEX prices are going to rise a lot and then... as always it will get in balance.
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#218 - 2013-05-20 14:55:00 UTC
Haedris Gost wrote:
After reading the blog, I have this to comment;

Right now people running two clients on the same computer have to (ALT+TAB) to go to the second client - logged into a separate account - (the second instance of the eve game running in the background) to perform any actions with the second character, but they are both capable of doing things with each other at the same time,



First off who says people do this. You might but not all.

If you use multiple clients & don't put each client in window mode, then you are doing it wrong.

I have 4 monitors for my clients, so each monitor has its own client in window mode for it. I never ever, ever had to use (Alt+tab).

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#219 - 2013-05-20 16:37:53 UTC
TravelBuoy wrote:

first u need to use ur brain.
Irrevelant ? this is ur first idiotism. You think about the plex using just for alt. Your thinks is fail.
The plex useable for main charater too, for transfer (2x plex) etc.
No resculpt ??? its time fir u to learn something http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/30_Day_Pilot's_License_Extension

And again the alt on same account on main, dont give any advantages, but more expensive and dont give to availabilty for the user to log on same time with the main account.

14.99 vs 19.99 and the first option not just cheaper but give more advantages, because can log on with same time with main.
And the plex prices not irrevelant because many player playing with PLEX option and active parts of the Eve economy.
So, really nor irrevelant the PLEX prices is how much costs.


have you thought about this for one month?
have you thought about this for two months?
have you thought about this for two characters?

I think I am still missing the point you cant quite seem to articulate.
Perhaps if you were to take a moment and think about what it is you would like to say, you could write something intelligible.

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#220 - 2013-05-20 16:50:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
TravelBuoy wrote:
Kusum Fawn wrote:
Did you even read the post you quoted to try to attack me? I would think that the part of my first post which you've quoted a fair bit now, would have clued you into the time frames that (i am guessing) this game mechanic addition would be intended.

Plex-isk prices are irrelevant. Someone else (perhaps you) are purchasing and selling plex for me to train my alts with.
The price change in plex-isk will determine only if i keep the second / third accounts open. and not the one or two time shot of a months training on an alt. Did the character resculpt bump plex prices? I hadn't noticed.

I would also be paying for a second or third account using plex so the price is nominally the same for me. except one place where i dont have to put any actual cash down


first u need to use ur brain.
Irrevelant ? this is ur first idiotism. You think about the plex using just for alt. Your thinks is fail.
The plex useable for main charater too, for transfer (2x plex) etc.
No resculpt ??? its time fir u to learn something http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/30_Day_Pilot's_License_Extension


And again the alt on same account on main, dont give any advantages, but more expensive and dont give to availabilty for the user to log on same time with the main account.


14.99 vs 19.99 and the first option not just cheaper but give more advantages, because can log on with same time with main.
And the plex prices not irrevelant because many player playing with PLEX option and active parts of the Eve economy.
So, really nor irrevelant the PLEX prices is how much costs.

You're pretty quick with the personal attacks.

It's all rather simple.


  1. Want to use both chars at the same time? Then get a second account.
  2. Want to train an alt on the same account as your main? Then use the new system.


No one is forcing you to use the new system. Plex prices for ISK will rise and fall, even without this system in place. But as a market, this has always and will always been the case. Supply and demand. The Plex will continue to be used for other services and systems in the future.

No one is forcing you to use the new system. It works for certain player types and small training situations. You are still training a char and because it's on the same account as your main, doesn't mean it should automatically be cheaper. Guess what, it's not. Blink

Love the tears though.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.