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One skybox for one region? Too little
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St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2011-11-04 07:48:59 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Wouldn't surprise me if the original source models (not pictures, a nebula sized virtual model which for the complexity of the particle details and art used wouldnt surprise me if were looking at a couple million polys) for the nebulas top half a terrabyte total. You're better off taking a PNG snapshot at that point instead of forcing player who dont even have that much memory or storage space on thier computer.

CCP Atropos wrote:
When they went in initially, raw from the rendering farm, they were about 2GB in size, which caused a few issues in client size Big smile

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=303785#post303785
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Oberine Noriepa
#42 - 2011-11-04 08:08:52 UTC
St Mio wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Wouldn't surprise me if the original source models (not pictures, a nebula sized virtual model which for the complexity of the particle details and art used wouldnt surprise me if were looking at a couple million polys) for the nebulas top half a terrabyte total. You're better off taking a PNG snapshot at that point instead of forcing player who dont even have that much memory or storage space on thier computer.

CCP Atropos wrote:
When they went in initially, raw from the rendering farm, they were about 2GB in size, which caused a few issues in client size Big smile

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=303785#post303785
Big smile

Is he talking about the models or the cube maps though? I imagine the models are much more hefty in size.

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Knoppaz
distress signals
#43 - 2011-11-04 08:13:07 UTC
It seems some people have a problem to understand the scale of space. There can't be a nebula just in Jita, Rens or whatever else system.
Nebulas aren't just within a system, but there are hundreds of thousands of systems within one nebula, so using a nebula for a complete region seems like a good idea.

Additionally it helps while traveling cause you instantly recognize if you moved into a different region which can be useful. With a smaller scale based on constellations this isn't possible. Sure, it's written in overview, but a regionwide skybox still makes it faster to recognize.

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caldesia
Damocles Labs
#44 - 2011-11-04 08:39:46 UTC
Being as I haven't left the region in which I run my space business in over 3 years I am rather disappointed it isn't at least per constellation, I can only imagine that one sky box is going to get very old very quick, is there an option to use the old nebula?
Jokerface666
Intergalactic Expeditionary Corp
#45 - 2011-11-04 09:44:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Jokerface666
to OP, sorry but are you really blind or just dumb??
yeah it is ONE skyboy,
BUT it is changing depending where you are in that Region
(in the midle, you've got the nebulae all around you) at the edge you got the nebulae on one side of the system)

so every system will look a little different from the others.

you really need reading lvl V
mkint
#46 - 2011-11-04 09:52:02 UTC  |  Edited by: mkint
Jokerface666 wrote:
to OP, sorry but are you really blind or just dumb??
yeah it is ONE skyboy,
BUT it is changing depending where you are in that Region
(in the midle, you've got the nebulae all around you) at the edge you got the nebulae on one side of the system)

so every system will look a little different from the others.

you really need reading lvl V

I haven't seen anything to suggest that this is even remotely true. In fact, the hints are that the skyboxes are flat wallpapers.

edit: does reading lvl V let you read what hasn't been written?

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Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#47 - 2011-11-04 10:02:11 UTC
Jodis Talvanen wrote:
Dear CCP art team,

Curious EVE player


I'll think you'll find it's just enough.

Also, stop whining about getting moar!

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Shivus Tao
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2011-11-04 10:05:10 UTC
5 skyboxes per system, let's bring inception into eve ccp.
BadJoe
neXer AB
#49 - 2011-11-04 10:06:01 UTC
Jokerface666 wrote:
to OP, sorry but are you really blind or just dumb??
yeah it is ONE skyboy,
BUT it is changing depending where you are in that Region
(in the midle, you've got the nebulae all around you) at the edge you got the nebulae on one side of the system)

so every system will look a little different from the others.

you really need reading lvl V



This is true, it's been explained several times.
mkint
#50 - 2011-11-04 10:13:22 UTC
BadJoe wrote:
Jokerface666 wrote:
to OP, sorry but are you really blind or just dumb??
yeah it is ONE skyboy,
BUT it is changing depending where you are in that Region
(in the midle, you've got the nebulae all around you) at the edge you got the nebulae on one side of the system)

so every system will look a little different from the others.

you really need reading lvl V



This is true, it's been explained several times.

dev quote or it didn't happen

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2011-11-04 10:18:25 UTC
Of all the things to whine about, you picked *this*? The ******* SKY? Jesus H. Christ
Jokerface666
Intergalactic Expeditionary Corp
#52 - 2011-11-04 10:21:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Jokerface666
There you go, reading lvl IV should be enough: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3057

Quote:

You will now see the different phenomena of space based on where you are in the EVE universe. As you travel closer, you will see the phenomena larger and more detailed, and eventually be inside them. The Cloud Ring, the Cauldron, Vapor Sea. These are large stellar objects that span multiple light years. Magnificent astronomical phenomena that evoke a sense of awe and beauty.


We are close to 2012 stop beeing usless with your 1970's technobrains.
Shivus Tao
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2011-11-04 10:23:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Shivus Tao
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3057

Notably
Quote:

There is a sense of location in space

You will now see the different phenomena of space based on where you are in the EVE universe. As you travel closer, you will see the phenomena larger and more detailed, and eventually be inside them. The Cloud Ring, the Cauldron, Vapor Sea. These are large stellar objects that span multiple light years. Magnificent astronomical phenomena that evoke a sense of awe and beauty.


Quote:

Region jumps cause the sky to change

Given the large number of solar systems in EVE and the quality we put into these backdrops, we had to make compromise between granularity and quality. We decided that the smallest unit using the same backdrop would be a region. That means 68 unique backdrops. So when you jump between regions is when you notice phenomena being closer, further away or gone.


Edit: Jinx. But I added an extra quote.
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#54 - 2011-11-04 11:16:33 UTC
Quote:
We decided that the smallest unit using the same backdrop would be a region. That means 68 unique backdrops. So when you jump between regions is when you notice phenomena being closer, further away or gone.


You don't need Reading V to understand this bit.

Same skybox for the whole region. No "subtle changes" or "inside outside a nebula".

Someone just fell into CCP's marketing.
Lucien Visteen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2011-11-04 11:23:48 UTC
I like that the fancy lighshow will be more prominent in High-sec and have cold and cool colors in 0.0.

The ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't.
StarLite
I am here to tell you about the mighty Boosh
#56 - 2011-11-04 11:32:33 UTC  |  Edited by: StarLite
Jodis Talvanen wrote:
Quote:
We decided that the smallest unit using the same backdrop would be a region. That means 68 unique backdrops. So when you jump between regions is when you notice phenomena being closer, further away or gone.


You don't need Reading V to understand this bit.

Same skybox for the whole region. No "subtle changes" or "inside outside a nebula".

Someone just fell into CCP's marketing.


Theres 2 things:
*) Backdrops
*) Nebulae

Those nebula's will be superimposed over the backdrop.

The backdrops will be the same for a whole region, but the nebulae will be different per system.
This way you can differentiate per region, but still have every system be slightly different.
You will even be able to see if your are jumping towards or away from "that big shiny blue cloud over there" when moving between systems.
Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#57 - 2011-11-04 11:33:43 UTC
StarLite wrote:
Jodis Talvanen wrote:
Quote:
We decided that the smallest unit using the same backdrop would be a region. That means 68 unique backdrops. So when you jump between regions is when you notice phenomena being closer, further away or gone.


You don't need Reading V to understand this bit.

Same skybox for the whole region. No "subtle changes" or "inside outside a nebula".

Someone just fell into CCP's marketing.


Theres 2 things:
*) Backdrops
*) Nebulae

Those nebula's will be superimposed over the backdrop.

The backdrops will be the same for a whole region, but the nebulae will be different per system.
This way you can differentiate per region, but still have every system be slightly different.
You will even be able to see if your are jumping towards or away from "that big shiny blue cloud over there" when moving between systems.


I think you got that flipped around

I has all the eve inactivity
Knoppaz
distress signals
#58 - 2011-11-04 11:50:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Knoppaz
StarLite wrote:

lots of stuff



This totally makes sense. Distant (other region) nebula can be a backdrop, because they won't change no matter where you are within your actual region.
Rendering the nebula of the region you're actually in on top of that backdrop gives enough change so it feels like traveling within the region.

Let's hope that's really is what CCP has in mind..

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a capsuleer's way to insanity
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2011-11-04 11:58:37 UTC
StarLite wrote:

Theres 2 things:
*) Backdrops
*) Nebulae

Those nebula's will be superimposed over the backdrop.

The backdrops will be the same for a whole region, but the nebulae will be different per system.
This way you can differentiate per region, but still have every system be slightly different.
You will even be able to see if your are jumping towards or away from "that big shiny blue cloud over there" when moving between systems.

A dev confirmation or denial would be helpful right now! Big smile
Razin
The Scope
#60 - 2011-11-04 12:00:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Razin
Knoppaz wrote:
StarLite wrote:

lots of stuff



This totally makes sense. Distant (other region) nebula can be a backdrop, because they won't change no matter where you are within your actual region.
Rendering the nebula of the region you're actually in on top of that backdrop gives enough change so it feels like traveling within the region.

Let's hope that's really is what CCP has in mind..

That is what CCP had in mind but that is not what CCP implemented. Sounds familiar?

Anyway, to get all the relevant info all you have to do is read yesterday's dev blog on this subject and t0rfi's comments in the corresponding discussion thread.