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Nyx BPo - ME6 PE3 - crazy good researched
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Smyghe
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#41 - 2013-05-03 20:04:49 UTC
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Smyghe
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#42 - 2013-05-07 22:44:00 UTC
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Smyghe
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#43 - 2013-05-08 11:00:18 UTC
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flakeys
Doomheim
#44 - 2013-05-08 11:12:46 UTC
Either throw it on contracts or lower the price .Your asking 5.5 B more then i am asking for my nyx bpo's ME4 PE1.The buyer will need to make about 45 nyx's before he plays even on your 'startprice' and only saves 27 hours aka a day in productiontime.


I know one can ask what they like but your asking a ridiculous price for this type of bpo on a forum where only people who are looking for 'reasonable and low' pricetags come.Try contracts as people pay idiotic prices there daily .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Smyghe
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#45 - 2013-05-08 12:54:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Smyghe
flakeys wrote:
Either throw it on contracts or lower the price .Your asking 5.5 B more then i am asking for my nyx bpo's ME4 PE1.The buyer will need to make about 45 nyx's before he plays even on your 'startprice' and only saves 27 hours aka a day in productiontime.


I know one can ask what they like but your asking a ridiculous price for this type of bpo on a forum where only people who are looking for 'reasonable and low' pricetags come.Try contracts as people pay idiotic prices there daily .


1) On contracts there is one Nyx BPo with 4/1 for sale at 18B (as well as a couple of 2/0 at same price)... that's ONE billion less than my BPo ... and 18B is NPC-price for 0/0 so this is all silly cheap all together.

2) A 4/1 BPo has only about half research-time as my 6/3 has (348h vs 665h = 317h less)

3) A 4/1 BPo gains about 700M less per built Nyx than my 6/3 when used 24/7, hence an active builder will gain more than 5.5B in less than 8 Nyx's and after that it's more profit each Nyx/Month (about 1,5B/Month). It's not like a 6/3 research weares out - it ramains elite until EVE dies.

4) IMO it's a status-vanity-thing to have a 6/3 Nyx BPo that I'm sure some serious SuperCapBuilder will pay this very reasonable price for. I'm just waiting for that person.

5) Good luck with your sale :)
Smyghe
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#46 - 2013-05-09 14:25:59 UTC
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Smyghe
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#47 - 2013-05-10 19:01:51 UTC
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Smyghe
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#48 - 2013-05-11 19:20:45 UTC
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Smyghe
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#49 - 2013-05-12 09:18:16 UTC
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Smyghe
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#50 - 2013-05-12 09:35:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Smyghe
*mistake*
Smyghe
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#51 - 2013-05-14 20:40:32 UTC
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Icecicle
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#52 - 2013-05-15 02:19:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Icecicle
Icecicle wrote:
Smyghe wrote:
In 2d 18h my Nyx BPo is finished with ME6 PE3 on it.

Some facts about the research made and it's gain:
First of all the research-time for ME is 63d 8h and for PE is 95d that gives a total of 665d research.
*This in POS with 25% bonus plus best implants with another 5% bonus.
*Cost of keeping POS running is about 400M/month ~ 8,7 billions in fuel (not that it matters much, but still)


From my excel-document I can see what the gain is from two perspective:

1) The gain per extra ME-level (in cost-reduction = extra profit):
ME 1 = 926M
ME 2 = 326M
ME 3 = 145M
ME 4 = 117M
ME 5 = 12M
ME 6 = 105M
ME 7 = 6M (I don't got this, but it doesn't really help either)

ME6 total extra profit (from ME0): 1631M per ship built

2) If used 24/7 one month, extra profit per PE level
PE 1 = 568M (57 hours less buildtime)
PE 2 = 194M (17 hours less buildtime)

PE2 total extra profit per month (used 100%): 762M (74 hours faster build)
*This BPo will be PE3 and I accually dunno how much better that is.

3) Total gain:
ME 6 + PE 2 = 2421M extra compared to ME0+PE0 (used 100%)
*This BPo will be PE3 and I accually dunno how much better that is.


Price: ATM I got no fixed price, but I won't sell it below 20B, and I'm more looking for 25B+. For now I'm open for offers though.



TL/DR

The market is the market and all that crap about what you think its worth means nothing. When right now 5/1 Nyx BPOS are not even selling at 15B, your lucky to get one sold for more then 13.5B these days. We all no that the best Nyx is a 6/1 and the rest is a waste of training and not worth buying. I bet if you had a 6/1 you would be lucky to get 16B for it right now in this market. Sorry mate but it is the truth if you just do a little reasearch.


Hell I posted this 4 months ago. and you only came down 1B, and been schooled ever since. Well you should have taken the 18B cause im sure its gone now. and Soon the Nyx and other SCs BPOs will be worth even less due to the Expansion hell more SC and Titans on the market then anything and you still think you will get 20B or 19 now. Your going to be lucky to get 10B now. Good luck and free no use bump.


Lessons in Life = Hard
Lessons in EVE = Impossible

When one realizes that he made a bigger mistake then before? how long tell he makes a bigger one? Do yourself a favor put it on market for a good deal and hope it sells.
Smyghe
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#53 - 2013-05-17 09:29:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Smyghe
Icecicle wrote:
Icecicle wrote:
Smyghe wrote:
In 2d 18h my Nyx BPo is finished with ME6 PE3 on it.

Some facts about the research made and it's gain:
First of all the research-time for ME is 63d 8h and for PE is 95d that gives a total of 665d research.
*This in POS with 25% bonus plus best implants with another 5% bonus.
*Cost of keeping POS running is about 400M/month ~ 8,7 billions in fuel (not that it matters much, but still)


From my excel-document I can see what the gain is from two perspective:

1) The gain per extra ME-level (in cost-reduction = extra profit):
ME 1 = 926M
ME 2 = 326M
ME 3 = 145M
ME 4 = 117M
ME 5 = 12M
ME 6 = 105M
ME 7 = 6M (I don't got this, but it doesn't really help either)

ME6 total extra profit (from ME0): 1631M per ship built

2) If used 24/7 one month, extra profit per PE level
PE 1 = 568M (57 hours less buildtime)
PE 2 = 194M (17 hours less buildtime)

PE2 total extra profit per month (used 100%): 762M (74 hours faster build)
*This BPo will be PE3 and I accually dunno how much better that is.

3) Total gain:
ME 6 + PE 2 = 2421M extra compared to ME0+PE0 (used 100%)
*This BPo will be PE3 and I accually dunno how much better that is.


Price: ATM I got no fixed price, but I won't sell it below 20B, and I'm more looking for 25B+. For now I'm open for offers though.



TL/DR

The market is the market and all that crap about what you think its worth means nothing. When right now 5/1 Nyx BPOS are not even selling at 15B, your lucky to get one sold for more then 13.5B these days. We all no that the best Nyx is a 6/1 and the rest is a waste of training and not worth buying. I bet if you had a 6/1 you would be lucky to get 16B for it right now in this market. Sorry mate but it is the truth if you just do a little reasearch.


Hell I posted this 4 months ago. and you only came down 1B, and been schooled ever since. Well you should have taken the 18B cause im sure its gone now. and Soon the Nyx and other SCs BPOs will be worth even less due to the Expansion hell more SC and Titans on the market then anything and you still think you will get 20B or 19 now. Your going to be lucky to get 10B now. Good luck and free no use bump.


Lessons in Life = Hard
Lessons in EVE = Impossible

When one realizes that he made a bigger mistake then before? how long tell he makes a bigger one? Do yourself a favor put it on market for a good deal and hope it sells.



Dear prophet. The last time you said I'd be lucky to get 16B it didn't even take 1 day until I had an offer for 18B, and I haven't been very active to update this since this thing doesn't matter that much to me (I've bumped thread for less than 3 weeks time total). This is just extra iskies, nothing I really need - hence your nerd-wisdom about how EVE is more brutal than real life don't really apply - and even more so when one already are silly rich :)

This Nyx 6/3 BPo is easy worth 19B - and to an serious Super-builder it's no money to spend. Besides that it pays of itself quick - at least if you built Nyx's constantly.
Smyghe
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#54 - 2013-05-19 13:02:11 UTC
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EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#55 - 2013-05-19 21:08:34 UTC
Smyghe wrote:

Dear prophet. The last time you said I'd be lucky to get 16B it didn't even take 1 day until I had an offer for 18B, and I haven't been very active to update this since this thing doesn't matter that much to me (I've bumped thread for less than 3 weeks time total). This is just extra iskies, nothing I really need - hence your nerd-wisdom about how EVE is more brutal than real life don't really apply - and even more so when one already are silly rich :)

This Nyx 6/3 BPo is easy worth 19B - and to an serious Super-builder it's no money to spend. Besides that it pays of itself quick - at least if you built Nyx's constantly.

any "serious Super-builder" can do the math to realize that it doesn't pay for itself at all in any reasonable time, that they can get one as good or better for cheaper, and that it's throwing billions of isk down the drain that could be better used on more bpos or more production alts if they want faster nyxes
Smyghe
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#56 - 2013-05-19 22:48:32 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Smyghe wrote:

Dear prophet. The last time you said I'd be lucky to get 16B it didn't even take 1 day until I had an offer for 18B, and I haven't been very active to update this since this thing doesn't matter that much to me (I've bumped thread for less than 3 weeks time total). This is just extra iskies, nothing I really need - hence your nerd-wisdom about how EVE is more brutal than real life don't really apply - and even more so when one already are silly rich :)

This Nyx 6/3 BPo is easy worth 19B - and to an serious Super-builder it's no money to spend. Besides that it pays of itself quick - at least if you built Nyx's constantly.

any "serious Super-builder" can do the math to realize that it doesn't pay for itself at all in any reasonable time, that they can get one as good or better for cheaper, and that it's throwing billions of isk down the drain that could be better used on more bpos or more production alts if they want faster nyxes


The EXTRA profit (for 24/7 building), my 6/3 compared to what's on market:
5/1 = 20B ... mine is 1B cheaper and has almost 800M more profit per ship (win win win)
4/1 = 18B ... mine is 1B more expensive and has almost 800M more profit per ship (second Nyx is win already)
5/0 = 16,4B ... mine is 2.6B more expensive and has more than 2B more profit per ship (second Nyx is win already)
2/0 = 16,5B ... mine is 2.5B more expensive and has almost 2.3B more profit per ship (second Nyx is win already)

This is from what's on contracts ... you can tell me the prices on the forum here if they differ much from these, but they have to differ VERY much in order to make your statement make any sense at all. Otherwise you live in a world where two weeks is a very long time. Perhaps you're a butterfly? Some species have that as their whole lifetime. If so I wouldn't spent the whole life with EVE and troll on forums.
Smyghe
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#57 - 2013-05-20 23:40:20 UTC
Bump!
Smyghe
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#58 - 2013-05-27 12:38:58 UTC
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ZAKURELL0 LINDA
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#59 - 2013-05-28 04:07:48 UTC
no offence, the reality is u r still bumping urself after 4 months...... where's the 18B?

and gl on selling it at 19b Smile

RIP Iron Lady
Smyghe
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#60 - 2013-05-30 14:29:26 UTC
ZAKURELL0 LINDA wrote:
no offence, the reality is u r still bumping urself after 4 months...... where's the 18B?

and gl on selling it at 19b Smile


Well, when stop bumping your post is soon so far away it almost doesn't exist, and that makes this post acitve for less than a month since I've been inactive bumping 75% of the time. It's not like I'm in crisis :)

I know this kinda thing isn't possible to buy for more than about 99% of the community, and of the last percentage that has the founds there are probably about one percentage that's active in super-cap-building, and of that percentage maybe 10% or so check this forums from time to time - and if any of the 1% who can pay for this also is among the 1% that might wanna use this is accually also one of the ten among these that would browse the forums I also need to be lucky that he would see this and also wanna upgrade or expand his BPo-collection. So I understand I must be lucky to find the right buyer.

Thanks for the gl-wish - I'll need it :)