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Does my 30 day AP0 ban count as a first strike?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#61 - 2013-05-19 15:07:43 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:



I've done my time, paid my penance. How long are you going to persecute after the criminal has repaid their debt to society?

I was punished as CCP saw fit.
I've served that time.

If you don't think that punishment was severe enough perhaps you can write to your senator.
Maybe I should be put on some no fly list, or offender register so I can never get another job.
Maybe men in balaklava should storm my computer room with automatic weapons and ship me off to Gitmo without trial.

I'm not going to indulge you further.
Done my time, account is back up and running, got the answers I was looking for, and I'm off about my business.

Cheers all was fun.





As you can tell, one of the few things that unites everyone around here is an intolerance of cheating scum. Everyone gets a second chance unless you are RMT scum but blow that and we will show no mercy and will support CCP fully in showing even less.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#62 - 2013-05-19 15:10:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Ecalos wrote:
I get it.. Despite all the "selective enforcement" years ago with the wt0 hack it was technically against the Eula... We get it, the 30 day ban was warranted- maybe an official statement or warning first- but that is neither here nor there. The problem I have is suspending game service, while still charging someone for it.. I used the aphack on one of my characters while the other five clients were open so they all got banned.. I was wrong and have learned the error of my ways... But paying $90 for thirty days of not bein able to play isn't right.. The training time is forever lost, but the right thing to do would be the game time being credited to the banned accounts...

Why should CCP credit paid for gametime to a player that has been banned for breaking the EULA? Consider it a fine or penalty for being a cheat.

CCP make it very clear that cheating will not be tolerated, your use of the AP to zero exploit, which I believe requires the injection of code and is therefore client modification, should really have been a permaban offence. Your actions in Eve have consequences, if you can't stomach that then this is not the game you are looking for. Personally I think that the actions taken by CCP are pretty lenient.

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CCP Stillman
C C P
C C P Alliance
#63 - 2013-05-19 16:19:13 UTC
I will remind all of you that the 30 day bans for the autopilot to zero hack was a one-off thing. Anybody caught doing that now gets a permanent ban right off the bat.

Just a random dude in Team Security.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#64 - 2013-05-19 16:48:03 UTC
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EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#65 - 2013-05-19 17:18:18 UTC
Did these bans not come with a "no-transfer" character flag? You seem to imply they didn't get it.
CCP Stillman
C C P
C C P Alliance
#66 - 2013-05-19 17:21:37 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Did these bans not come with a "no-transfer" character flag? You seem to imply they didn't get it.

You're correct. They didn't. Smile

Just a random dude in Team Security.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#67 - 2013-05-19 17:27:48 UTC
ap-zero cheaters would like to believe that they are different from botters and gold sellers - the lepers and convicts of the mmo world - because they convince themselves that their cheating is "harmless"

the truth is that they are no different and that they should be treated the same as botters and gold sellers, because when they get their comeuppance they show no remorse and only complain, and instead of playing the game like the rest of us they will only change their methodology and attempt to evade detection

i bet 90% of those 2300 or whatever will continue using similar cheats

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Othran
Route One
#68 - 2013-05-19 18:15:36 UTC
CCP Stillman wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Did these bans not come with a "no-transfer" character flag? You seem to imply they didn't get it.

You're correct. They didn't. Smile


When did the policy change?

Last I heard if you got a warning or temp ban then the accounts were locked down so characters couldn't be transferred.

I obviously missed something.....
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2013-05-19 18:33:13 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
I am begging the ISD not to lock this thread as the OP butthurt for being caught cheating and being lowest of the low is priceless :)



Not sure you understand the term. My arse is fine thanks.


No, I agree with the quotee, your rump seems almost certainly rustled. It's indicated by your planning to jettison your character.

Dodixie > Hek
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2013-05-19 18:34:34 UTC
CCP Stillman wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Did these bans not come with a "no-transfer" character flag? You seem to imply they didn't get it.

You're correct. They didn't. Smile


Can those of us who don't cheat and like to believe that the wrath of CCP is as harsh as Guard likes to claim have an explanation as to why not? Surely you want your deterrent to be strong? Seems to me like these cheaters got away scot-free. Makes me almost want to try it...

Dodixie > Hek
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
#71 - 2013-05-19 18:49:34 UTC
But will you ban people using the AP100 exploit?

Nyan
CCP Stillman
C C P
C C P Alliance
#72 - 2013-05-19 18:56:27 UTC
Othran wrote:
CCP Stillman wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Did these bans not come with a "no-transfer" character flag? You seem to imply they didn't get it.

You're correct. They didn't. Smile


When did the policy change?

Last I heard if you got a warning or temp ban then the accounts were locked down so characters couldn't be transferred.

I obviously missed something.....

That is only true for our bot detection systems. In this case, given that the accounts that we could tell did other bad stuff were permanently banned, we did not have concerns about people moving characters to avoid "strikes" as we did with our war on bots.

That could have been a mistake. Who knows. But it was decided not to apply that restriction, because we didn't see a good reason to do so.

Just a random dude in Team Security.
CCP Stillman
C C P
C C P Alliance
#73 - 2013-05-19 18:58:46 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
CCP Stillman wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Did these bans not come with a "no-transfer" character flag? You seem to imply they didn't get it.

You're correct. They didn't. Smile


Can those of us who don't cheat and like to believe that the wrath of CCP is as harsh as Guard likes to claim have an explanation as to why not? Surely you want your deterrent to be strong? Seems to me like these cheaters got away scot-free. Makes me almost want to try it...

Because the issue of bots and client modification, while heavily overlapping and related, are distinct issues in this specific case. In the case of bots, a no-transfer flag makes sense, as our data showed. But for this one-off action, we have better deterrents.

Just a random dude in Team Security.
CCP Stillman
C C P
C C P Alliance
#74 - 2013-05-19 18:59:15 UTC
Rakshasa Taisab wrote:
But will you ban people using the AP100 exploit?

I don't care if you modified your client to autopilot to 0km or 100km. It violates the EULA. So yes.

Just a random dude in Team Security.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#75 - 2013-05-19 19:45:04 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
CCP Stillman wrote:
Othran wrote:
CCP Stillman wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Did these bans not come with a "no-transfer" character flag? You seem to imply they didn't get it.

You're correct. They didn't. Smile


When did the policy change?

Last I heard if you got a warning or temp ban then the accounts were locked down so characters couldn't be transferred.

I obviously missed something.....

That is only true for our bot detection systems. In this case, given that the accounts that we could tell did other bad stuff were permanently banned, we did not have concerns about people moving characters to avoid "strikes" as we did with our war on bots.

That could have been a mistake. Who knows. But it was decided not to apply that restriction, because we didn't see a good reason to do so.


Given that in future you will be perma banning people for this its a bit of a moot point. Although I too would have liked to have seen them locked down.
Dub Step
Death To Everyone But Us
#76 - 2013-05-19 20:10:10 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
Can those of us who don't cheat and like to believe that the wrath of CCP is as harsh as Guard likes to claim have an explanation as to why not? Surely you want your deterrent to be strong? Seems to me like these cheaters got away scot-free. Makes me almost want to try it...

Lolol honest players tears amirite? Lol

Joking aside; CCP have already explained their rulings on this issue in some detail. Try reading devblogs and announcements in future.
CCP Stillman
C C P
C C P Alliance
#77 - 2013-05-19 20:51:22 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

Given that in future you will be perma banning people for this its a bit of a moot point. Although I too would have liked to have seen them locked down.

That's a fair point and your opinion is definitely appreciated. We'll keep that in mind for the future if similar circumstances should arise Smile

Just a random dude in Team Security.
Arec Bardwin
#78 - 2013-05-19 20:59:24 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:
I've been on the wagon for 30 days.
Careless prediction: soon to become a bannedwagon.
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#79 - 2013-05-19 21:52:18 UTC
be smart: deal with the horrors of empire hauling by paying pubbies literally less than a cent's worth of isk per jump
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#80 - 2013-05-19 22:50:56 UTC
I've removed an off topic post. Please keep it on topic and civil. Thank you.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

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Interstellar Services Department