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A Demand for New Cloning and Implant Technology
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Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#1 - 2013-05-18 13:50:15 UTC
I, and many others of whom do not wish to be named, demand new cloning implant technology to better protect us capsuleers.

We demand that our current implants be upgraded to copy our neuro-consciousness whenever we exit our capsules and send them to our cloning facility. While our brain is still functional (as in, not dead), the implants shall emit a small signal containing a stream of data of our experiences. Once that signal is interrupted, either by death or implant failure (or both), the cloning facility takes the stored consciousness and immediately deposits it into our clone. After we reawaken in our clone, the data stream will be played back to us, either by neurovisual stimulation, or via good old fashioned video feed.

This is a necessary step to ensure that capsuleers are safe from death while exiting our capsules.

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.
Kim Ji-Young
Ji Young Kim Bap
#2 - 2013-05-18 14:07:40 UTC
Oh please.

Just be happy your clone works at all.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#3 - 2013-05-18 14:19:13 UTC
So....who are you making this demand from? The empires who don't give a **** about you? Or the Jovians who are quite dead?
Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#4 - 2013-05-18 17:39:20 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
So....who are you making this demand from?

*to.

Evi Polevhia wrote:
The empires who don't give a **** about you?

Most baseliners, as a rule, do hate us, but there are exceptions.

Evi Polevhia wrote:
Or the Jovians who are quite dead?

Not dead, just hiding.

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.
Shiho Weitong
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-05-18 18:23:01 UTC
The capsuleer delusion of immortality is already out of control.

Let's not make it worse.
Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#6 - 2013-05-18 19:21:03 UTC
Shiho Weitong wrote:
The capsuleer delusion of immortality is already out of control.

Let's not make it worse.

A philosopher, eh?
No one cares about philosophy when they are dead.

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.
Shiho Weitong
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-05-18 19:26:14 UTC
Felsusguy wrote:
Shiho Weitong wrote:
The capsuleer delusion of immortality is already out of control.

Let's not make it worse.

A philosopher, eh?
No one cares about philosophy when they are dead.


I guess there's a first for everything.

I've been called teacher, thief, tyrant and murderer.
I've been called savior, friend, enemy and haan.

I don't think I've ever been called a philosopher, and I'd prefer to be labeled as a pragmatist.
At the very least regarding this subject.

Capsuleer minds have already drifted a great deal away from our baseliner kin. We should not strive to be immortal for our own sake, but for the baseliners we serve and protect.
Heinel Coventina
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-05-18 20:18:06 UTC
I think those dust implants are cool and I want that toy :D
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#9 - 2013-05-18 21:02:04 UTC
If i recall my training correctly, attempts to use the burning scanner outside of a pod ended in malfunction as the scanner would be triggered untimely, or would fail to be triggered. Thus, the burning scanner technology is limited to pod use.

As for the support we may expect from Empires, it is unlikely they will let us walk freely in stations, let alone survive if we are killed in the process. And public opinion is even more hostile and deluded than that.

I don't know if any of you have seen that piece of film called "Origins", in which capsule technology is grossly misrepresented to the populace. Commoners are being fed that we capsuleers must die to become pod pilots, which is false; I am sure some of you have heard those tasteles jokes of "space zombies". Also that film depicts capsules as glorified cokpits, rather than the sophisticate neural interface they are.

None of this is making us a favor.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#10 - 2013-05-18 21:26:18 UTC
Felsusguy wrote:

Evi Polevhia wrote:
Or the Jovians who are quite dead?

Not dead, just hiding.


And the proof of this claim...?
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#11 - 2013-05-18 21:37:36 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Felsusguy wrote:

Evi Polevhia wrote:
Or the Jovians who are quite dead?

Not dead, just hiding.


And the proof of this claim...?


You both appear to be making positive claims, ma'am, and thus both need to provide proof. I believe that the negative claim is to maintain a state of ignorance on the state of the Jovians.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#12 - 2013-05-18 22:28:20 UTC
The reason this cannot be done is because you are actually incompatible with the technology that allows these mercenaries to transfer their consciousness while not being in a pod. The reason why you are killed after a brain scan is because any brain scan process that does not take place over several hours (and which, by necessity, requires you to either get a general reading or to be put into complete stasis while it goes on) is because the process of flash-scanning an entire human brain burns out the pitiful little electric currents that make you who you are.

I am not certain you understand exactly how much data there is in a complete human mind. The mercenaries implants allow this process to take place without the pod, but they end up just as dead afterwards. Their suits, I believe, then incinerate their bodies to create the same effect that the neurotoxin that gets injected into us upon pod breech produces. That is to say that it makes sure the the wreck of your body left without a functioning mind is killed off, as a sort of mercy gesture.

On the other hand, if the Mercenaries tried to pilot a ship with their mind, they would immediately find themselves locked forever into a horrifying paralysis called Wetgrave. You are not subject to it because the peculiar nature of your genetics allows your consciousness to hop back and forth between bodies like they are an old suit of clothes, and with only marginally more difficulty than that.

So you know, take the good with the bad.
Adreena Madeveda
Sebiestor Tribe
#13 - 2013-05-19 09:52:42 UTC
Oh, ain't that cute.

The little boy who made claims about immortality and capsuleers uniting against the powers that be is now asking those same powers for another toy because he's scared.

I could just pinch your cheek.

...................\o\ /o/...................
Vinh Trahn
Seven Stars Search and Rescue
#14 - 2013-05-19 11:13:11 UTC
Adreena Madeveda wrote:
Oh, ain't that cute.

The little boy who made claims about immortality and capsuleers uniting against the powers that be is now asking those same powers for another toy because he's scared.

I could just pinch your cheek.


Just make sure you pinch the cheek of each clone to, for good measure.

Fear not this night. You will not go astray. Though shadows fall still the stars find their way.
Kithrus
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#15 - 2013-05-19 15:42:34 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Felsusguy wrote:

Evi Polevhia wrote:
Or the Jovians who are quite dead?

Not dead, just hiding.


And the proof of this claim...?


You both appear to be making positive claims, ma'am, and thus both need to provide proof. I believe that the negative claim is to maintain a state of ignorance on the state of the Jovians.


Okay then let me make this abundantly simple for you...

Concord has Jove members, members we see from time to time. The Society of Conscious Thought is a Jovian one and one that is currently doing things like... I don't know giving every capsulleer with an active license a low class Jovian ship?

I know the Sansha like to make it sound like they killed the Jove but even if I was a hyper advanced technological race if I have the Jovian Disease I'd lay low too. As primitive as we are our shear weight in numbers would crush the Jove. Its a tactical advantage to be invisible been seemingly always watching. Makes you enemies doubt the hidings strength.

Now I'm totally open to the idea that there's only a few thousand Jovian in existence and I can totally see that they are playing one despret last game of smoke and mirrors in hopes of leaving behind something of value before they kick the bucket.

That said however I'm not about to write them off that sounds exactly like what they want us to think.

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#16 - 2013-05-19 17:06:16 UTC
Kithrus, the Society of Conscious Thought is not a Jovian corporation. It is a religious one, based on Jovian ideas.

It has also not presented an actual Jovian member in quite some time.

And no, the Sansha did not kill the Jovians. What we did was went into their space (because it is something we can do that you cannot), and found their stations empty, their ships abandoned, and their people missing.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#17 - 2013-05-19 17:39:48 UTC
The SOCT is made up of people trained by people trained by people who studied the Jovian ways and methods. The SOCT ships are constructed off of ideas gleaned from works that were influenced by replicas of Jovian machinery. To claim that the SOCT is in any way directly linked with Jovians in the modern day is to misunderstand them.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#18 - 2013-05-19 18:19:09 UTC
Also, to my knowledge no one in CONCORD has seen a Jovian since the Jovian Ambassador went and spread his molecules across the universe in his failed teleportation attempt.
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#19 - 2013-05-19 19:36:39 UTC
I'm sorry but I don't think I would trust any new unproven and untested cloning technologies. Who knows what could happen, especially with our capsuleer neural interface.

I'll stay with the current tech that is available to us until something else is tested and proven to work flawlessly with my ability to pilot ships and has similar failure rate as current capsuleer cloning tech.

-k8

My Fanclub
Nicolas Merovech
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-05-20 03:21:27 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Felsusguy wrote:

Evi Polevhia wrote:
Or the Jovians who are quite dead?

Not dead, just hiding.


And the proof of this claim...?


Why don't you fly into Jovian space and find out for us?

Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech, Ph. D, M.D.
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