Player Features and Ideas Discussion

When I wrote comment about it suiting you and not the game as a whole to Roime I was being partially dishonest.

I hate playing coy so I'll reveal that I have invested literally billions in perfecting my Navy Domi duo with the best sentry fitting that I can afford on the market, implants included. For example, I have 8 federation navy omni's between two mid racks to give you an idea of what i'm talking about and no guns.

Does this change suit me? No. Am I mad? Yes. Does it diminish my ships? No.
So honestly I can not argue your's or any other's contention with a simple "I like my way over your's" argument. If more people side with you then so be it. I will not lose sleep over the matter.

However my contention is this:


Isn't that the crux of the matter?

Mach is good because 90% of its dps is coming from guns and they are triple bonused including the most important thing dmg projection(falloff).

All of that is mounted of fast, low sig rad turning on a dime overgrown cruiser called Machariel with utility high and big drone bay for SPARE drones.

You are trying to compare that with non dmg proj. guns mentioning TWO lol launchers and drones that NEED to be used to get any "EFT" number comparison between two ships is just lol...DPS patch work of fail.

It will never EVER be in same rank seriously EFT number is one thing in game another.

Typhoon will be what it always was **** face neuts included.

What is you point in "huge dps" ?

Application is not there take navy domi it can dish out 1400-1500 dps using rails and gardes and even more brutal number with blastor/ogre combo....and it still suck over machariel...

IS domi to close to pirate BS?..nope it is not application of dmg is simply not there in a way mach does it.

Typhoon was always better at sig rad as well as drone bay and it didn't help it be close to pirate BS before and it aint gonna help it now.

Here is what is going on with phoon it got better EFT dps number and that is ALL it got,EFT detected change in phoon total dmg output.

In no way shape or form that means better applied dps or becoming or getting too close to machariel it is simply better than it was...improvement.

I will fly navy apoc because it will enslave small children and destroy anything else it come across because unlike phoon it will have dmg projection as well as application bonus and unlike phoon it will not suffer from te nerf nearly as much.

Especially given how fast the Mach is. It's fast enough that moving is actually a consideration in terms of damage projection, unlike most other battleships.

Well if I understand your point of view, the new T1 Domi is arguably better for PVE and you would have liked the same improvement spill over to navy version. Fair enough, there isn't that much point in using the NDomi for that now. However, I like the navy ships to be different ships, instead of just straight up stats improvements over the vanilla version.

More ships, more variety, more fun :)

Navy Mega is a bit of a departure from this, it's the same ship but with a high slot and better stats, resulting in a situation that if ISK isn't an issue, there's no reason to fly the normal version.

I think you're thinking of the Typhoon. The CNR has an explosion radius bonus.

-Liang

I kind of like the split decision on tier 1 to tier 2.

Tier 1 is a tank, Tier 2 is a dps.

Geddon, Phoon, Scorp and Domi have tank 11500 base defense either armor or shield.
Raven, Apoc, tempest and Thron will get a full rack of weapons. 10500 base main defense

They are balanced with other Navy groups, maybe not with pirate hybrids but pirate hybrids were supposed to be rare and a military alternative to Marauder class, not Navy.

Finally had some time to try these on SiSi.

Things to note: i have perfect skills to fly these and my testing was done with only the pve aspect with active tanks and most effective mission runs in mind. I loot&salvage the battleship wrecks primarily and even if there are frigate or cruiser wrecks left when i finish i move to next mission.


I will list the ships from best to worst.

Golem, i guess this does not come as surprise to anyone. Sturdy tank and best ability to loot & salvage as you go just make this the most efficient mission runner. TFI finishes the mission faster but with golem you end up with more loot&salvage.

Typhoon Fleet Issue, winner in the raw firepower and flexibility, although your tank will be weaker. Also fastest and has 2 utility highs for looting & salvaging. If you have a friend or alt who can take care of the loot&salvage you can fit this for pure dps which will be just murder

Scorpion Navy Issue, second best tanking ability after Golem. Takes a hit on tank with the resistance and sig nerf but added mid slot compensates this. Only one utility high so salvage drones are required.

Typhoon, you get less tank than on Raven but are faster and more flexible with bigger drone bay. It has damage application bonus but the effect was only minimal. Decent armor tank results in less dps and with just one utility high salvage drones are required.

Raven, you could already fit a decent tank on it and now it received one more med slot. But it came with a price of just one utility high left so salvage drones are required. This really should be ranked on par with Typhoon depending on your preference of tank or flexibility.

Raven Navy Issue, slightly faster Raven and the damage application difference was just minimal. The problem however was the fitting, it's so cpu tight that it requires you to use faction or fitting modules. And nonexistent utility highs means that i won't be doing any looting unless i changed ships, which just wastes more time. Even if you didn't care about the loot then considering the price tag alone doesn't really make this better than Raven or Typhoon.


In overall, the cruise missile buff really makes the missions easy and a lot faster than current. But some of the ships still got effectively nerfed, especially Raven Navy Issue which used to perform almost on par with Golem went now to the bottom.

You've cluttered over 20 pages worth of whining on the CNR's loss of rate of fire. Enough is enough.

Ships are not balanced around tractorbeams and amamake.

Do you know why I've cluttered up 20 pages of whining about the CNR being a totally obsolete ship? Because the CNR is a totally obsolete ship. And because there is a couple of internet trolls that don't know anything about how the game is played that seem to think the ship is going to be worthwhile.

Here's the facts on the CNR:

- It has worse applied damage than the Golem
- It has worse applied damage than the Typhoon Fleet
- It has no DPS advantage over the Typhoon and equivalent damage application
- Even the SNI has equivalent applied damage due to the tank bonus and extra mid slot
- It has no utility high slots
- It is outright nerfed for all torpedo fits

The final result here is that cruise missiles are getting buffed and the CNR is getting nerfed. The net result is a very small net buff from today's CNR. However, all other missile ships are getting buffed as well. The net result of that is that the CNR is just a totally pointless ship to have in the game. Even if we assume that BS5 is a hard skill to train for some reason then we have the TFI, SNI, and Typhoon that all eat into the CNR's non-existent micro-niche.

The CNR change is a bad change. But hey, I get how you're tired of hearing about the CNR. So let's talk about how the Typhoon Fleet obsoletes the CNR and Fleet Pest in both PVE and PVP. Or maybe we can talk about how the SNI's extra low is not useful enough to "view with alarm" as posited in the OP. Or we can talk about how the cruise missile buff is probably over the top.

There's a lot to discuss here, and just because you are tired of hearing about one terrible change doesn't mean it's not gonna keep coming up until it gets resolved. If you want me to stop talking about it: convince Rise to post here and discuss it.

-Liang