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Does my 30 day AP0 ban count as a first strike?

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Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-05-18 16:31:14 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:
CCP Stillman wrote:
The strike isn't against the character, it's against an "individual"(the owner of the account) as we can see it in our system.

If you sell the character, the owner does not inherit the strike. If you create a new account the strike does not transfer directly, but a GM will notice that you have an account which has done naughty things, and they will take that into account.

My suggestion would be to stay on the right side of the law from now on, and you'll be fine. An AP0 infraction is serious, mind you.

If you have any further or specific questions, I my recommendation will be to file a petition, and a GM can help you further Smile


Cheers BigEars.

Oh and lift the bans? Since it's the 18th and all. It's your name on the ticket. I gotz me some autopiloting to do.



CCP didn't have to tempban you. You read the EULA. They could have permabanned you, in a number of ways... but they didn't. Ride out your ban until they are satisfied. Bothering them, and posting on the forums is probably only making them want to keep you tempbanned, longer. That's what I'd be doing to you... so I think it's safe to assume they are, too.

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CCP Stillman
C C P
C C P Alliance
#42 - 2013-05-18 16:33:14 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Stillman
Bloody Wench wrote:
AP0 was just for fanfest, like Unholy Rage. It's no coincidence it always happens right before fanfest. Big PR exercise to placate the masses and give the impression that something is being done.

Lets just address that once and for all.

At CCP we plan things before they can hit a live server. That involves, in this specific case:

  • Initial idea
  • Initial research to ensure task viability in this instance
  • Planning of tasks
  • Mapping it into a release
  • Doing it
  • Testing it
  • Waiting for a deployment spot that's empty to decrease deployment risks
  • Running in different activity states to slowly bring system online one piece at a time
  • Analyzing data
  • Deciding on what to do with the data
  • Actually doing something with that data


The initial idea was created in the November/December time frame. From then on, it took until the point at which we banned the accounts in question to finish all of these steps. And when you have a project that takes this long, then you have an awfully high chance of the point where things are ready, given the fact we do 2 major releases every year. That means you have a 50% chance that things happen not long before fanfest. It's the nature of schedules.

Had we actively delayed it until fanfest, thus adding weeks from when we were ready till execution, then the argument would have been that we held it back to avoid upsetting people around fanfest. So yeah.

Just a random dude in Team Security.
Jayrendo Karr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-05-18 16:33:28 UTC
Ban the account before it can be traded.
CCP Stillman
C C P
C C P Alliance
#44 - 2013-05-18 16:34:26 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:


Oh and lift the bans? Since it's the 18th and all. It's your name on the ticket. I gotz me some autopiloting to do.

That's all handled by a recurring database job. Most bans, depending on when they were applied, should be up by now.

Just a random dude in Team Security.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#45 - 2013-05-18 16:38:46 UTC
CCP Stillman wrote:
The strike isn't against the character, it's against an "individual"(the owner of the account) as we can see it in our system.

If you sell the character, the owner does not inherit the strike. If you create a new account the strike does not transfer directly, but a GM will notice that you have an account which has done naughty things, and they will take that into account.

My suggestion would be to stay on the right side of the law from now on, and you'll be fine. An AP0 infraction is serious, mind you.

If you have any further or specific questions, I my recommendation will be to file a petition, and a GM can help you further Smile


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credit card info?

ip

email?

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Anazzar
Polaris Space Industries
#46 - 2013-05-18 18:25:55 UTC
Odd that the OP was not perma-banned, would of considered this an ideal candidate but I guess CCP was lenient due to account age maybe? I dunno.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#47 - 2013-05-18 18:30:56 UTC
Anazzar wrote:
Odd that the OP was not perma-banned, would of considered this an ideal candidate but I guess CCP was lenient due to account age maybe? I dunno.
…or maybe because the policy was 30 days on first strike, a lot longer on the second one?
Bloody Wench
#48 - 2013-05-19 01:50:13 UTC
Oh you cheeky bastards, pausing my training queue as well.



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Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-05-19 02:41:21 UTC
CCP Stillman wrote:
The strike isn't against the character, it's against an "individual"(the owner of the account) as we can see it in our system.

If you sell the character, the owner does not inherit the strike. If you create a new account the strike does not transfer directly, but a GM will notice that you have an account which has done naughty things, and they will take that into account.

My suggestion would be to stay on the right side of the law from now on, and you'll be fine. An AP0 infraction is serious, mind you.

If you have any further or specific questions, I my recommendation will be to file a petition, and a GM can help you further Smile

The sunglasses made that post all the more awesome

Also when you permaban his account can you hand me all his stuff
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#50 - 2013-05-19 02:59:33 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
CCP Stillman wrote:
The strike isn't against the character, it's against an "individual"(the owner of the account) as we can see it in our system.

If you sell the character, the owner does not inherit the strike. If you create a new account the strike does not transfer directly, but a GM will notice that you have an account which has done naughty things, and they will take that into account.

My suggestion would be to stay on the right side of the law from now on, and you'll be fine. An AP0 infraction is serious, mind you.

If you have any further or specific questions, I my recommendation will be to file a petition, and a GM can help you further Smile


how can you tell i am me?

credit card info?

ip

email?



All of the above. Plus a number of other things. Remember, you're running their software, after all.

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Ecalos
Pod Yourself In Game
#51 - 2013-05-19 04:44:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Ecalos
I get it.. Despite all the "selective enforcement" years ago with the wt0 hack it was technically against the Eula... We get it, the 30 day ban was warranted- maybe an official statement or warning first- but that is neither here nor there. The problem I have is suspending game service, while still charging someone for it.. I used the aphack on one of my characters while the other five clients were open so they all got banned.. I was wrong and have learned the error of my ways... But paying $90 for thirty days of not bein able to play isn't right.. The training time is forever lost, but the right thing to do would be the game time being credited to the banned accounts...
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2013-05-19 04:51:26 UTC
Nyancat Audeles wrote:
CCP Stillman wrote:
The strike isn't against the character, it's against an "individual"(the owner of the account) as we can see it in our system.

If you sell the character, the owner does not inherit the strike. If you create a new account the strike does not transfer directly, but a GM will notice that you have an account which has done naughty things, and they will take that into account.

My suggestion would be to stay on the right side of the law from now on, and you'll be fine. An AP0 infraction is serious, mind you.

If you have any further or specific questions, I my recommendation will be to file a petition, and a GM can help you further Smile

The sunglasses made that post all the more awesome

Also when you permaban his account can you hand me all his stuff



I had first dibs, but I'll agree to split it with you, 50/50. Deal?

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#53 - 2013-05-19 06:39:00 UTC
Ecalos wrote:
I get it.. Despite all the "selective enforcement" years ago with the wt0 hack it was technically against the Eula... We get it, the 30 day ban was warranted- maybe an official statement or warning first- but that is neither here nor there. The problem I have is suspending game service, while still charging someone for it.. I used the aphack on one of my characters while the other five clients were open so they all got banned.. I was wrong and have learned the error of my ways... But paying $90 for thirty days of not bein able to play isn't right.. The training time is forever lost, but the right thing to do would be the game time being credited to the banned accounts...


No the right thing to do is to not cheat in the first place.
Azeroth Uluntil
Last Chance for Redemption
FFEW Associates
#54 - 2013-05-19 07:30:14 UTC
Ecalos wrote:
I get it.. Despite all the "selective enforcement" years ago with the wt0 hack it was technically against the Eula... We get it, the 30 day ban was warranted- maybe an official statement or warning first- but that is neither here nor there. The problem I have is suspending game service, while still charging someone for it.. I used the aphack on one of my characters while the other five clients were open so they all got banned.. I was wrong and have learned the error of my ways... But paying $90 for thirty days of not bein able to play isn't right.. The training time is forever lost, but the right thing to do would be the game time being credited to the banned accounts...



Definitely not. If your account was banned, you should still run through your time as per normal. If you charge back the time, keep the account banned until said time is paid. You paid to use a service, you screwed up and cheated somehow, you should be punished to the full extent possible.

Suck it up princess.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#55 - 2013-05-19 09:32:09 UTC
Ecalos wrote:
I get it.. Despite all the "selective enforcement" years ago with the wt0 hack it was technically against the Eula... We get it, the 30 day ban was warranted- maybe an official statement or warning first- but that is neither here nor there. The problem I have is suspending game service, while still charging someone for it.. I used the aphack on one of my characters while the other five clients were open so they all got banned.. I was wrong and have learned the error of my ways... But paying $90 for thirty days of not bein able to play isn't right.. The training time is forever lost, but the right thing to do would be the game time being credited to the banned accounts...


All of your accounts should have been permanently banned. Don't be a cheating scumbag, because if you are a cheater once, chances are, you are a cheater for life.

The Tears Must Flow
Xayder
modro
Northern Coalition.
#56 - 2013-05-19 09:34:13 UTC
in short, you are focked

Can I HaZ YouR StuFf ?

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Kusanagi Kasuga
Indigo Archive
Ivy League Alt Alliance
#57 - 2013-05-19 09:41:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Kusanagi Kasuga
Really hope this topic is being considered as evidence, because the OP looks anything but contrite - making excuses, asking how much trouble they'd get in if they did it again, asking if there's a way to remove the black mark...

The crap you admit to doing ruins games and the only reason CCP should give you any leeway is in case you learn your lesson - and given you've been repeatedly banned from many games for cheating and intentionally ruining the game experience of honest players, you're not going to learn and you should be asked to leave ne'er to return.
Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-05-19 12:49:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrea Roche
CCP should just perma ban you, quit tapping around the issue and give away all your possetions worth to a charity and announce it in FanFest that CCP has caught x amount of isk, sold all cheaters worldly possetion and gave it to charity! I can see the fan applauding already!
This way, CCP is happy, the fans are happy, the charity organizations are happy and the charity receiver is happy. Its a win win situation
Twisted
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#59 - 2013-05-19 13:03:51 UTC
When I think of bans, I like to remember my days on the oil rigs and what we did to cheaters in some of our poker games.

It was like "banning", but with more a more personal touch. Twisted


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Bloody Wench
#60 - 2013-05-19 14:55:22 UTC
Kusanagi Kasuga wrote:
Really hope this topic is being considered as evidence, because the OP looks anything but contrite - making excuses, asking how much trouble they'd get in if they did it again, asking if there's a way to remove the black mark...

The crap you admit to doing ruins games and the only reason CCP should give you any leeway is in case you learn your lesson - and given you've been repeatedly banned from many games for cheating and intentionally ruining the game experience of honest players, you're not going to learn and you should be asked to leave ne'er to return.



I've done my time, paid my penance. How long are you going to persecute after the criminal has repaid their debt to society?

I was punished as CCP saw fit.
I've served that time.

If you don't think that punishment was severe enough perhaps you can write to your senator.
Maybe I should be put on some no fly list, or offender register so I can never get another job.
Maybe men in balaklava should storm my computer room with automatic weapons and ship me off to Gitmo without trial.

I'm not going to indulge you further.
Done my time, account is back up and running, got the answers I was looking for, and I'm off about my business.

Cheers all was fun.



[u]**Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote: **[/u]  CCP should not only make local delayed in highsec, but they should also require one be undocked to use it. Then, even the local spammers have some skin in the game. Support a High Resolution Texture Pack