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The Achura in the State
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Velarra
#41 - 2013-05-18 18:08:15 UTC
Utremi Fasolasi wrote:
Would any pilots of Achura ancestry or experience with the culture and diaspora of Saisio care to share their opinions or experiences? What is the relationship of Achura to the State and to the current political landscape?


The Achura : State relationship? Figuratively, space, depth and the resulting perspective the relationship provides.

With the political landscape as it currently stands, one that can't help but see the strong sibling ties and resulting individuation rivalries that exist between the peoples who both originated from within the Luminaire solar system. You are practically kin, and it is regrettable that you carry on as you do.
Shiho Weitong
Perkone
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-05-18 19:04:26 UTC
Sixx Vicious wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:


There is perhaps an old saying that applies to many in the State: The tree that refuses to bend to the Winds will always be broken.




By what you are saying the Caldari expect, if needed force, a minority culture to fall in line with the majority. Do you not see the flagrant irony in that? How is that not a prime example of cultural imperialism the Caldari often accuse the Federation of being guilty? That smells like hypocrisy - Of which the State, yet again, accuses the Federation of. Sounds like the State has a case of what military experts are calling "Pot calling the kettle black"-syndrome.


I see no hypocrisy, nor do I see any irony.

The State never claimed there was room for everyone.
The State never said that anyone could be an equal partner.
This is a strawman argument, and a badly constructed one, at that.

The fact of the matter is that our ancestors decided to align with the state. To do so efficiently we had to change. And so we did. There is not much else to say on this subject.

It pains me though, to hear that other children of the stars have felt excluded or singled out negatively.
Having never experienced this myself, narrowminded biggots aside, i have to ask this question to those who have been wronged: "Did you personally act in any way that might have seemed uncouth or inproper in social dealings with other haan?"

If you didn't your experiences have been with narrowminded biggots, of which the state has it's fair share.
If you did, you broke the illusion of complete symbiosis and failed to keep your personal life personal.

Either way, it ends up as a personal failing, that should never surface in someone who follows Heiian.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#43 - 2013-05-19 00:56:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Sixx Vicious wrote:

By what you are saying the Caldari expect, if needed force, a minority culture to fall in line with the majority. Do you not see the flagrant irony in that? How is that not a prime example of cultural imperialism the Caldari often accuse the Federation of being guilty? That smells like hypocrisy - Of which the State, yet again, accuses the Federation of. Sounds like the State has a case of what military experts are calling "Pot calling the kettle black"-syndrome.


There is no irony because to be a citizen of the State is to adhere to the demands of society which applies equally to all. Discrimination does exist in the State, but it should always be on the basis of merit and ability and if some Achur believe such a concept is cultural imperialism and that they are victimized as a minority then they have not grasped the egalitarianism that underpins the State or that ethnic Caldari do not escape the discrimination of merit that they have mistaken for discrimination of ethnicity.

The Caldari corporate model has existed for centuries and the War of Caldari Independence was never truly premised upon grounds of race or culture but with a fundamental disagreement centred upon the creation of such a regressive concept as central governance and bureaucracy which became the Federation. Government exists only as an imposition on free market enterprise, and the Federal government was nothing more than a tyranny upon the freedoms and independence of Caldari corporate citizen-employees.

As such there is no hypocrisy as regards the Achur when they are provided the opportunity to participate in the State system freely and fairly and the only impetus used, if any, is a simple one: Get a job, and contribute to society.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Abaya Meili
Doomheim
#44 - 2013-05-19 17:07:56 UTC
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
Pardon, in advance, if anything I say causes offense.

To provide a little context: I am rural Saisio raised, in one of the areas overseen by the local government and the Elder Visionaries as opposed to the Sukuuvestaa corporation. As a result, I didn't come into contact with a great deal of wider State/"Caldari" culture until my mid to late teenage years, where we briefly moved off-world.

I would identify as a citizen of the Ishukone Corporation and the State - Not a Caldari. It is not my heritage, neither in blood nor in spirit.

With that said...

I greatly value the boons the State offers the Achura people in our position as corporate subjects. Protection, wealth, technological advancement, and so on.

However.

I find several aspects of how the Caldari regard our people to be disturbing. To begin, the Sukuuvestaa corporations treatment of the homeworld has occasionally been suspect, with a few sites of historical importance having been disrupted for resource extraction and industrial development. Little choice has ever been presented in regard to this, especially during the earliest days of the corporations arrival.

Respect for our culture is also, to my observation, a little variable. While no one is going about demolishing monastery's on the homeworld or something equally asburd, there is a certain expectation to conform to Caldari cultural ideals - And in some extreme cases, to Caldari faith - When offworld, especially in the wake of the ultra-nationalism following the rise of the Caldari Providence Directorate. This is true at both at a national level as well as an individual one; As the topic poster rightfully points out, we have rather been pushed forward with the tides in the drive to reclaim the Caldari Homeworld, despite it having no real ancestral significance to us.

For example, during my Piloting training, it was strongly encouraged to me that I adopt "Raata Culture" in place of my own. I found this treatment somewhat insensitive and crude.

In a more personal regard, both before and since I have become a Capsuleer, I have suffered occasional racism from ethnic Caldari while discussing matters regarding the State. Condecension, dismissive attitudes, and outright rudeness or hostility, all in regard to my race or cultural background. I have been lectured in regard to what the State has "done for my people" on atleast two occasions. I have been expected, in one instance, to speak a historical language... That is not a part of my history.

Amongst many other examples.

As others have said, there is something of a social impetus amongst the Achur against voicing these complaints outwardly - It is considered somewhat improper to kick up a fuss and provoke confrontation. I will admit that I feel perhaps a little uncomfortable even making this post. However, since the majority of individuals contributing seem to either be Achur from offworld of Ethnic Caldari, I felt it for the best to submit my perspective, on this occasion.


Don't forget the destruction of Saisio III's ecology, terrain. Failure of your 'benefactors' as I've heard it phrased before to protect religious artifacts from invaders and the selling of a symbol of your people to the rich along with sauce and vegetables.
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