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Exploiting Jita population cap to avoid war dec needs to be punished.

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Jadzia Idaris Devereaux
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-05-18 20:38:04 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
wait you are mad that they log in jita is full and get moved into another system because the server is full....
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal
If you want full pvp why not come down to 0.0 you wont ever have to worry about the server being full and guess what u wont even need to wardec. Oh and next time learn to shoot things that can fight back..... Dock camping is not pvp..
HVAC Repairman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2013-05-18 20:42:38 UTC
as i told privateers a long time ago sitting on the jita 4-4 undock is not pvp

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#23 - 2013-05-18 21:32:05 UTC
I removed some personal attacks and replies to them. Keep it civil people!

Also, moved to Warfare & Tactics.

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Voith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-05-18 21:36:35 UTC
If only there was a massive area where people couldn't pull bullshit and you could just shoot mans.
Haulie Berry
#25 - 2013-05-18 21:40:42 UTC
Melvin Earl wrote:
We do not have the man power to cover all the alternate systems, much less all the stations in them as well.


Sounds like a personal problem.
ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#26 - 2013-05-18 21:52:04 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
melvin wrote:
If you are at war, the option to choose another system on log in is disabled.


Well then melvin you still get no targets to shoot at if this is diabled and jita is at capacity then they wouldnt even be able to log in Oops THINK ABOUT IT

BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-05-18 22:30:31 UTC
Melvin Earl wrote:
Me and my people spent a long time moving assets and planning strategies for engaging targets in Jita. Now targets are logging off and logging back in only to abuse the automatic move mechanic if Jita is full. This is utter and complete bullshit.

If a target is at war the system should not allow them to pick a new system to log into. CCP should not be helping these cowards.


Easily some of the finest tears all week.

Tell us more how unfair it is that game mechanics are preventing you from blapping people before they've finished loading on the undock. Call more people cowards with your forum alt, we'd love to hear it.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#28 - 2013-05-19 08:35:01 UTC
Melvin Earl wrote:
Alua Oresson wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
Didn't know the imperial academy had wardecs running.


It also has no kills. I really love it when people complain of having no targets post with forum alts.

Try stirring up some angst against yourself. You can also come after people that insult you. For instance myself. I hang around L-C307 and 3V8-LJ. Come and get me.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal

You all are missing the point. This loop hole for evading war needs to be fixed as soon as possible. We do not have the man power to cover all the alternate systems, much less all the stations in them as well.


no you are missing the point.

It is well known game mechanics. learn to play and know the mechanics and thenplan you actions basing on mechanics, do not go to forums and cry that your plan does not work, change game !
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-05-19 10:11:45 UTC
Gealbhan wrote:
With whom are you declaring war against? Be they Miners, Mission Runners? I highly doubt from your description they are a PvP Corp.
Seems by shouting coward you are indeed calling the kettle black.

Why would anyone declare war on a pvp corp lol. Every industrial corp should be actively recruiting and supporting a number of pvp'rs as defence. When you declare war you dont want to looting crappy pvp modules and losing ships unless you just want pvp but then r v b would be a much better option. You want to kill loot ships in my experience.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Josilin du Guesclin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-05-19 10:29:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Josilin du Guesclin
Melvin Earl wrote:

I already said what the solution to close this exploit loop hole is. If you are at war, the option to choose another system on log in is disabled. Idea

So, your 'solution' is that when wardeced and in Jita you can't log on at all when Jita is over-loaded? So, rather than have a chance at catching them somewhere, because they're logged in and active, you'd prefer that they be forced to stay logged off? Seems to me that you're not a PvPer, but merely a griefer.

Also, you're annoyed because they're using a game mechanic intelligently and, rather than come up with a solution, you want CCP to change the mechanic in your favour. Lazy.
StarStryder
Zero-Hour
#31 - 2013-05-19 11:04:35 UTC
Melvin Earl wrote:
StarStryder wrote:
Melvin Earl wrote:
You all are missing the point. This loop hole for evading war needs to be fixed as soon as possible. We do not have the man power to cover all the alternate systems, much less all the stations in them as well.


Why don't you stop whining and propose a solution?

I already said what the solution to close this exploit loop hole is. If you are at war, the option to choose another system on log in is disabled. Idea


Sorry, maybe I should have been a little clearer. I meant a solution that you'd spent more than 5 seconds thinking about.
Let me line this up for you. When you're designing stuff, you have to factor in the worst case scenario.

Let's say that Jita is at its hard cap. People are logging in and out as normal. The non-war targets all get punted out to a surrounding system. The war targets all stay in Jita. Eventually the system has no choice but to allow new war target logins to breach the hard cap. This goes on for a few hours and the node crashes.

Now, do you have a solution that has be sustained over the long term?
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#32 - 2013-05-19 11:49:25 UTC
:highsec wars:

^_^
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-05-19 12:41:58 UTC
Love how people try to impress upon others the superiority of their gameplay. I've done low sec industry, low sec pirate, null sec indy, nullsec pirate, null sec alliance, high sec indy, high sec war decs. They're all pretty much the same, there are a small group of people in most of those niches that play hardcore, the others hide behind them or hide through sheer numbers carebearing regardless of whether in null, low or high sec.

Fact - the safest I have ever been was repairing my sec from low sec gate camping in null alliance. Good 6 weeks there and no a single bad guy. Sitting at a gate in HED-GP with a bunch of alliance peeps popping single ships and running from anything dangerous.

The most dangerous was solo camping low sec gates.

The most fun and strategic - solo empire wars / Privateers.


CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Darvaleth Sigma
Imperial Security Hegemony
#34 - 2013-05-19 12:58:52 UTC
Is it me or does has avatar just exude stupid...? His face looks ridiculous Big smile

I hear the issue, but it's either that or have Eve go down regularly to accomodate for 10,000 people in one system. Take your pic; miss your targets by a couple of systems, or miss them entirely due to enforced downtimes?

Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.

Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life!
Arjo Lauzen
Droneland Investment Group
Droneland Prosperity Initiative
#35 - 2013-05-19 15:40:29 UTC
Pathetic OP. I suppose you'll want to ban jump cloning next during a war dec?
Cable Udan
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#36 - 2013-05-19 16:08:58 UTC
Your tears...

THEY INVIGORATE ME!
Auduin Samson
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-05-19 19:07:38 UTC
Oh look, another "Make eve fair for only me!" post.
Mra Rednu
Oyonata Gate Defence Force.
#38 - 2013-05-19 19:11:59 UTC
Blake Gates Heleneto wrote:
Dude. OP, you owe me a keyboard because I've read this thread and proceeded to spit my wonderful Colombian dark roast coffee all over it from laughing so hard. I'll PM you my PO Box details.


EDIT: Also, this is how you do it. Post with your main or GTFO. Actually now that I'm thinking of it, just GTFO anyway. Nobody wants you or your corporation full of alts in New Eden.

Have a bad day.


Funnily enough this would be the ideal solution to his problem, if he and the rest of his corpmates logged off in Jita then his targets would be able to log on and not get moved, viola all his problems with the mechanic are solved.
Juan Rayo
Justified Chaos
#39 - 2013-05-19 19:17:45 UTC
This thread certainly backfired :)
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2013-05-19 19:22:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Well now...

First time I see Trade HUB campers complain about something so bloody insignificant.

On another note... how are the exploiting the population cap? Are the calling out to everybody to come to Jita... so when they do long on the pop cap is reach and the appear in a neighboring system?

Trade route are camped for a reason... I don't even need destination plan/route anymore to know how to travel to cut somebody off.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk