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CCP Habakuk
C C P
C C P Alliance
#41 - 2013-05-18 18:59:22 UTC
Hyi Max wrote:
I can't get into the test server. The Play button is missing. I have read all the posts here, and I see that some of you have been able to get past the new loader... but not me :-(

Also, it is showing Tranquility status, even though the launcher I launched is within the installation of the test server... so I am confused... will I end up on Singularity, or Tranquility?

Can someone initiate me into the secret entrance of the new loader?

Thanks !


Make sure to start with /server:87.237.38.50 (or /server:Singularity)

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Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
#42 - 2013-05-18 19:05:00 UTC
Johan Toralen wrote:


Your math is off.

Old method: open launcher, click play, select pw box, enter pw, hit enter.

New method: open launcher, select pw box, enter pw, hit enter, click play.

Same number of steps in slightly different order but you're in the game quicker.

edit: granted click play is redundant in the new method. after entering the pw that should be a sure sign that you want to play. So with a bit of streamling the new method will have even a step less then the old method.


It really depend on if you are using the launcher or not. Like me I only use the launcher for patching.
Otherwise I just use my shortcut, which launch ExeFile.exe directly. From there type in my PW and select the character.
Hyi Max
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-05-18 19:06:49 UTC
CCP Habakuk wrote:
Hyi Max wrote:
I can't get into the test server. The Play button is missing. I have read all the posts here, and I see that some of you have been able to get past the new loader... but not me :-(

Also, it is showing Tranquility status, even though the launcher I launched is within the installation of the test server... so I am confused... will I end up on Singularity, or Tranquility?

Can someone initiate me into the secret entrance of the new loader?

Thanks !


Make sure to start with /server:87.237.38.50 (or /server:Singularity)



Thanks. That is what I was missing.

If I am not careful, I learn something new every day !
Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
#44 - 2013-05-18 19:13:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Lost Hamster
What is the TTL (Time To Live) of the ssoToken ?

At the moment I managed to create a shortcut where I can login without any user name and password. Cool
I like it. Big smile

Edit: probably 5 min.
Circumstantial Evidence
#45 - 2013-05-18 19:41:05 UTC
I don't mess with junctions or multiple installations, I've long resigned myself to accepting that overview, market quickbar and some other config settings will be shared between characters on same account. I was very happy when bookmark folders made their way up to the server, keep up the migration efforts :)

I always looked forward to new expansion client login animations - "what will be on the cover of the book THIS time?"
Many will miss the "screen saver."

but omg, the launcher passing thru credentials to the game client makes switching between characters on one account SO MUCH FASTER b/c you don't have to type that stuff again!

Please expand it to support entering multiple account credentials, with a launch [account name] button for each, accessible from one launcher window!

btw, BUG: when you have used and cached one account name successfully in the launcher, and go back to enter a second new account name, and hit TAB to get to the password field, the second account name typed is replaced with the first cached account name. Must use mouse to click in password field, this preserves the newly typed second account name.

Oddly, when I typed in a third account name after successfully using the second and seeing it cached, I was able to hit tab and enter the third account's password, with no loss of third account name just typed.
Caljiav Ocanon
The Holy Rollers
#46 - 2013-05-19 00:04:10 UTC
CCP Atropos wrote:
Other such changes might include storage of your client settings in the cloud so that when you login you can instantly pick your client launch configuration. However to do this means making some necessary changes to the current flow.



This is win.
Seamus Donohue
EVE University
Ivy League
#47 - 2013-05-19 01:17:09 UTC
CCP, please make sure that you inform the playerbase and/or the CSM about intended changes to the login process. "Multiple simultaneous accounts" affects a very large number of players.

I'm especially looking forward to having client settings stored server-side because on my Macintosh, I'm paranoid about making sure that different applications running at the time same NOT try to access the same Preferences or Application Support folders; it would be like opening up your hardcover paper diary in the evening to write a new entry, only to discover new diary entries in your handwriting that you don't remember writing: things get... funny.

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Wenthrial Solamar
Brand Newbros
#48 - 2013-05-19 13:31:55 UTC
Did Find an actual bug, The new launcher ( or the new client build ) prevents the client from reconnecting after a network failure.

This makes a restart from a Network Hickup extra hard, and IS the use case where some of the complaints about it taking longer to login are real, since I have 1 or more clients loaded already, and want them to re-authenticate, I now have to close all instances ( and under the hood, flush my file cache and memory state) and start a fresh login process for each ( read back in all the data from disk, etc..).

Saerni
Confederation Navy Research
#49 - 2013-05-19 15:17:20 UTC
You need to add the singularity target data to your shortcut to the new launcher. My old shortcut didn't work and I had to go in and manually add the server target data. Without that the new launcher doesn't load properly and shows TQ status w/o a play button.
CCP Atropos
C C P
C C P Alliance
#50 - 2013-05-19 16:26:41 UTC
Circumstantial Evidence wrote:
btw, BUG: when you have used and cached one account name successfully in the launcher, and go back to enter a second new account name, and hit TAB to get to the password field, the second account name typed is replaced with the first cached account name. Must use mouse to click in password field, this preserves the newly typed second account name.

Oddly, when I typed in a third account name after successfully using the second and seeing it cached, I was able to hit tab and enter the third account's password, with no loss of third account name just typed.

Thanks for the tip; I had this happen to myself whilst testing it, but couldn't reproduce it. I'll give it another go since it's something you've run into too.
Nar Tha
Doomheim
#51 - 2013-05-19 17:09:27 UTC
Hey.

I can't login with the Sisi client. I'm getting "Invalid username/ password" all the time. I tried it a thousand times now. Works on Tranquility. Any ideas?
CCP Aporia
C C P
C C P Alliance
#52 - 2013-05-19 18:50:13 UTC
Nar Tha wrote:
Hey.

I can't login with the Sisi client. I'm getting "Invalid username/ password" all the time. I tried it a thousand times now. Works on Tranquility. Any ideas?


Your account is not known on Sisi?

Friend of walking avatars, currently hibernating until he gets to open that door.
Nex Killer
Perkone
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-05-19 19:05:41 UTC
Johan Toralen wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:
the changes with the current sisi launcher are not showing me that tbh.
currently, I open a client, hot key a password in and hit return. so 2 mouse clicks 2 buttons and im at client screen
on sisi I have to open client, select the password box, hot key password, hit enter and then click play. 2mouse clicks, 1 mouse click, 2 buttons, 1 mouse click and then im at client log in
why the extra unneeded steps? extra pointless unneeded steps are exactly that, pointless and unneeded


Your math is off.

Old method: open launcher, click play, select pw box, enter pw, hit enter.

New method: open launcher, select pw box, enter pw, hit enter, click play.

Same number of steps in slightly different order but you're in the game quicker.

edit: granted click play is redundant in the new method. after entering the pw that should be a sure sign that you want to play. So with a bit of streamling the new method will have even a step less then the old method.


Your not taking into account if you have the option "Only show launcher when there is an update". I have that on all the time so the steps are Open Eve -> Type password -> Hit enter -> Play
Onion Ring
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2013-05-22 21:08:00 UTC
CCP Atropos wrote:

It's actually the opposite, but please feel free to believe what you want. Precisely because we've never officially supported multiple accounts as a play style and pushed an authoritative way to run multiple accounts simultaneously, we now have the situation where there are many, many different ways to have set up your configuration to run your accounts.

Some people have multiple physical installations, others junction the one installation and yet other more exotic, hybrid combinations exist. There's no way we can support all of these, beyond coming up with a way that works best for the EVE client and the services we provide. With that in place we can then work towards moving people towards a single unified method of running multiple accounts that allows us to work to improve the whole experience rather than make no changes to improve it because of the constant fear of people disliking the new experience.

It also allows us to start thinking up really cool things like launching straight into a fleet fight from the forums (because you're already authenticated) when you get a call to arms on your corporation forum, or allowing Vivox chat from outside of the game or even out of game chatting with your corp mates.

I really want to start mitigating some of the problems people have with accessing and playing EVE and that includes changing the login flow. Other such changes might include storage of your client settings in the cloud so that when you login you can instantly pick your client launch configuration. However to do this means making some necessary changes to the current flow.


Alright...you have never officially supported multiple accounts and of course there never was the "POWER OF TWO" program or similar stuff?

Makes me thinking if all of CCP works in the same direction...
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