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Roc Wieler
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#141 - 2013-05-17 11:14:17 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Hell, even though he didn't make CSM, Roc Wieler has more contacts at CCP than most CSMs do, and he's a good motivator. Have them talk to him.


Shhhh, you'll ruin the fun surprises.

Never start a fight you can win.
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#142 - 2013-05-17 12:52:27 UTC
Roc Wieler wrote:
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Hell, even though he didn't make CSM, Roc Wieler has more contacts at CCP than most CSMs do, and he's a good motivator. Have them talk to him.


Shhhh, you'll ruin the fun surprises.


It's too late to make CCP Sreegs not fat. He already quit.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#143 - 2013-05-17 13:58:41 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Well, it's not as if anything I could do ingame was any better than some ancient cursing, is it?

It is as effective to curse his children than to use EVE's mechanics to make him stop his behavior or regret it. Well, actually cursing his children may be slightly more effective... no weasel would expect that kind of backlash. Question


If nothing you could do in-game is more effective than that then nothing he could do in game is, either.

Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
By the way, it's not space pixels. It's trust. And surely he deserves to suffer a little for abusing it so he avoids it in the future.

CCP thinks differently and so they provide ingame impunity, but by doing so, they're just calling for someone, someday, put EVE in the news with some RL not-impunity. Yet that would be another question.


But the whole point of putting it in the context of a game is that people can play at untrustworthiness and throw themselves into combat with other players because it's all just a game. Screwing someone over in RL because they punked you in EVE is like screwing them over in RL because they punked you in Munchkin. Getting punked is an outcome that's an expected part of the game. If you don't like that, don't play the game.

And that leads to the irony of your position, which is that anyone who visits real-world consequences on another player for something that happened in game is committing a far more serious breach of trust; namely, the trust that other players recognize that it's just a game, and this is part of the game play, and any responses will remain in game. This trust has been violated before, and it has made the news before, but the takeaway isn't "wow, look what that horrible game did to that poor guy," it's, "wow, that guy has serious issues."

Now, there are boundary cases like Diplomacy, but that game requires you to knife everyone else in the back in order to win, and so you'd better know that you have thick skinned friends if you don't want to leave the table with a smaller social circle. EVE doesn't, at all. That's just one option.


That's some interesting food for thought.

Certainly, that I get RL suffer from what happens ingame it's my fault and not the game's, but all in all, we were talking about why i don't put myself in a situation where i may get hurt by something that happens in game... and so i avoid multiplaying, not because I am "bad player", but because i am good mental illness patient. Albeit I am mentally ill, i also can manage my condition within certain parameters. I walk on a thin line, and talking and playing EVE is a part of it as much as not meddlling too much with multiplayer and betrayal.

With foresight, I shouldn't have played EVE never. But I did and comitted a lot of time, money and effort and pasion to it, and now it will take something equally large to drive me away. One doesn't just walks out of EVE.

Adn even if I'm on a far reach of the bell curve, I'm not alone. If EVE is totally tilted to the, say, right reach of the bell curve, and I am very to the left, that doesn't means that EVE is not tilted, and that a better balanced approach would make it suit better to general population.
CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#144 - 2013-05-18 18:41:41 UTC
I am locking this topic as it has run its course and has devloved into trolling and flaming.

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