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Cearain

Plus 10 NV

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#201 - 2013-05-16 14:19:09 UTC

Meditril wrote:

Fret Thiesant wrote:

I solo a fair amount of the time, fly t1 frigs, and have under 4 mill Sp.
I get fights in plexes all the time.

Agreed. To those who don't get fights I can just advice you to not fly ships which are well known to be OP. These are for example:

Daredevil
Hookbill
Dramiel

Just take something else and leave your OGB docked at home.

This is good advice. Except the OGB. Its not unusual for me to see more t3 ships on dscan in busy fw system than combat ships. Only sometimes will you even know who is getting what boosts. So you either don't fight in these systems at all (whcih means you will get allot less pvp) or you just fight anyway.

This is just another reason not to take anything larger or more expensive than a af out. Between off grid boosts making kiting frigates impossible to catch (assuming you can even lock them) and the prevelance of gate camps your are just throwing isk away. With smaller cheaper ships its fine to throw a few away when you get caught by camps or boosted ship.

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Cearain

Plus 10 NV

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#202 - 2013-05-16 14:36:26 UTC

ALUCARD 1208 wrote:

cearain wrote:

There are 101 systems. You guys couldn't have put some resources into taking/deplexing even a few systems and got a ton of fights? Yet you had the resources to make a push immediately after?

Again your showing how ignorent to our warzone you are the immediate pushback was by Evoke fresh outa null and needing to make fast isk. And then they were bkd up by the caldari corps that had given up during our push, they saw this as evoke giving them a glimmer of hope.

Fair enough that is a good point. I think the rest of my post remains valid.

Again a contemporaneous posts and comments about this, indicating gallente were burned out of plexing in January and February. Yet it seems they were certainly up for pvp.

http://www.ninveah.com/2013/02/why-sudden-shifts-in-faction-warfare.html

BTW: When you call someone ignorant, you will have more credibility if you spell the word correctly.

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ALUCARD 1208

Digital Ghosts

Nourv Gate Security Commission

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#203 - 2013-05-16 14:51:32 UTC | Edited by: ALUCARD 1208

See theres the difference you read blogs for your "facts" on warzone and there never biased or skewed at all are they hahaha? This was pointed out to you when you linked pinkys blog before and was told the content was twisted by pinky himself
Where as we dont need to read biased/propaganda reports to know what going on were actually in that warzone so we know whats going on..

Iv said this a thousand times before to you cerain try the other warzone and then you might actually see how different the WZs are.

Jumping on a spelling mistake really is that what you have to stoop to now cearain?

BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA

Crosi Wesdo

War and Order

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#204 - 2013-05-16 14:53:37 UTC

Cearain wrote:

ALUCARD 1208 wrote:

cearain wrote:

There are 101 systems. You guys couldn't have put some resources into taking/deplexing even a few systems and got a ton of fights? Yet you had the resources to make a push immediately after?

Because some elses spelling makes you less ignorant?

Lets look at the iraqi information ministers contemporaneous reports.


ALUCARD 1208 Digital Ghosts Nourv Gate Security Commission Likes received: 464	#205 - 2013-05-16 14:54:52 UTC Crosi Wesdo wrote: Lets look at the iraqi information ministers contemporaneous reports. Ok so this line nearly finished me off i choked on my dinner while laughing ;) BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA

X Gallentius

Black Eagle1

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#206 - 2013-05-16 15:15:51 UTC | Edited by: X Gallentius

It has nothing to do with farming, but how one side defines "winning"

From the perspective of players who want to win, the actions of the Caldari in Nov/Dec makes perfect sense. If you think you can't win, you're not going to try. Better save resources and spend time doing something else.

They had their plan. Gallente were too strong and it was better to try to let Gallente burn out and then counter attack rather than fight. I heard the same thing from Gallente leadership when the Caldari took all of the Gallente systems the first time around. It's not a unique strategy for one side. (And in the end it didn't work in either case)

Caldari then got lucky with Ev0ke joining FW to get their numbers up. Pew was had by all because both sides thought they could win. In some cases it was "hopeless" for Gallente and core systems like Heydieles fell pretty easily. Gallente decided which systems were valuable to them (not which systems the FW scoreboard decides is valuable) and defended them tooth and nail - probably because we thought we had a chance at winning. Massive amounts of pew.

That's it. I'm done with this thread. o/

Gradient Electus Matari 1,076
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari Likes received: 1,076	#207 - 2013-05-16 19:37:04 UTC Zarnak Wulf wrote: My favorite part of this resurgence so far has been EM and Empty Mirror offering TMFED 500 million isk to stop plexing Helgatild. Priceless. No we are not. Don't make stuff up. You guys are good enough to manage your propaganda based on facts. Else

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IbanezLaney The Church of Awesome Likes received: 1,578	#208 - 2013-05-16 21:52:36 UTC X Gallentius wrote: IbanezLaney wrote: I'll spoil it and tell Cearain why. sigh I thought this was good for two pages of trolling. Sorry man https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney

IbanezLaney

The Church of Awesome

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#209 - 2013-05-16 22:03:49 UTC

Cearain wrote:

IbanezLaney wrote:

Colt Blackhawk wrote:

IbanezLaney wrote:

X Gallentius wrote:

So bottom line is that you have no idea on why there were fewer kills when Gallente made its push than when Caldari made its push later. (And no, neither Zarnak Wolf nor you were involved in either event.)

I'll spoil it and tell Cearain why.

When the Gallente made their big push -
We and many other Caldari could see the writing on the wall a few weeks before and denied content.

We even moved from the WZ well before our home was pushed.
So a lot of us didn't fight/waste isk/ships fighting the inevitable.
So kills went down.

When the Caldari pushed -
The Gallente fought back the entire time.
So more kills.

If Cearain was in FW and had access to decent intel he would know this.

And THERE we have the difference between amarr militia and caldari militia.
Cals: Okay it is inevitable. Srew you guys. We give up and go highsec. Most of us will leave fw :P
Amarr: Okay. Last stand. There isn´t anything inevitable. Fight to the last ship and last drop of blood. Sahtogas may not fall. Never. We will fight for every damn plex with 4 vs 20.

2 1/2 weeks later amarr kick minnie ass like hell, while even many calmil 100% loyalist corps are coming to amarr mili.
There isn´t anything inevitable.

Yeah - We are more chilled. After all - Eve is only a game and I'm not gonna let a game control my time.

It was a choice
Dplex all saturday and sunday and still lose my system while I'm asleep or at work during the week.
Or understand the pendulum is swinging and go do something else more interesting for a while.

Your story doesn't make sense. (not to say its not true but if it is true that pretty illogical) So dplexing is boring even when there is a full blown push by your enemy to take all systems? I thought this was the time to get all sorts of exciting pvp?

You can't have it both ways that defensive plexing is boring non pvp for you but somehow it is exciting pvp for gallente. They had to keep hold of all the systems they had during their push to take all the systems and that would require allot of defensive plexing. That is at least part of the reason why thier pvp was down.

But Look at what amarr did. Not only did they get very excited about pvp in sahtogas (one player said he moved 40 billion in ships into the system!) but they also sent a contingent to capture a system several jumps away. Unfortunately the Minmatar (and gallente?) weren't interested in pvp and let the opportunity pass. (They let it pass 3 times in the last year)

There are 101 systems. You guys couldn't have put some resources into taking/deplexing even a few systems and got a ton of fights? Yet you had the resources to make a push immediately after? If anything this demonstrates how little caldari care about the sov war.

From the perspective of someone who wants to pvp these actions from caldari and minmatar do not make sense. It does add up from the perspective of someone who wants to farm.

Caldari: Let them get their medal and then they will stop pvping to hold the plexes in 90% of the systems and we can farm.

Minmatar: let them start taking systems again instead of crushing their morale so we have more fields to farm.

XG and I may disagree on allot, but I do agree with him that the current mechanics can bring about occassional times (2-3 a year per war zone) where there can be allot of excellent plex pvp in a small number of systems. Caldari and minmatar's actions suggest they have no interest in that.

They were not plexing my home system while myself or Super Chair online.

Only when at work etc etc so we would log into a lot of dplexing and by the time that was done - was time to go back to rl - it didn't leave a lot of pew pew time during play.

It got very tedious dplexing the system with very little fun. Even the pirates were leaving us alone.

Different tactics - you may not understand them from our perspective but it worked well for us and allowed us to go to Amarr and fly with some of those guys + make some isk which in turn paid for my *******, ******* and **** *****.

Smile

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Stalking Mantis School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State Likes received: 953	#210 - 2013-05-16 23:30:05 UTC 2 dang you guys still going at it? Cerain made me stop reading this 10 pages ago. Amarr Liason Officer Extraordinare -->Check Out Amarrian Vengeance/Amarr FW History from 2011 to 2014 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629&find=unread

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1st-Garrentious WispBender Doomheim Likes received: 29	#211 - 2013-05-17 00:36:27 UTC 1 Stalking Mantis wrote: dang you guys still going at it? Cerain made me stop reading this 10 pages ago. I would comment, but I cannot read.

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ISD Ezwal

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ISD Alliance

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#213 - 2013-05-18 22:01:18 UTC

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#214 - 2013-05-19 00:52:48 UTC

Please take into consideration the fact that if CCP developers want to improve fw they cannot read through 12,000 posts each 7 paragraphs long.

If you have a point to make to improve fw make it and be specific. Once it's made it may or may not be considered. Arguing the same point/points again and again does little to change the facts.

Make your point. Be clear. And most importantly keep the reader in mind when posting. To much reading and you will lose the leader.

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Andiedeath We Aim To MisBehave Wild Geese. Likes received: 287	#215 - 2013-05-20 14:16:55 UTC LOLs! I see nothing has changed! Hopefully at least there is a lot of GFs going round.... Director Sefem Velox INGAME CHANNEL: Sefem Public