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Dev Blog: Vote for truth – Vote for justice!

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xttz
GSF Logistics and Posting Reserves
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2013-05-17 12:35:17 UTC  |  Edited by: xttz
MeBiatch wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
honestly sir molle should have written the great war story...


losers write self-pitying apologies and excuses for their failures, not history


Competing perspectives are always nice... And remember bob was holding its own till that player clicked a button. You guys killed kenny not bob. Just like solodrakeban led to you loosing delve and buying tcf space.


By the time Haargoth showed up, Bob were already running out of steam. They were being solidly stonewalled after losing a few dozen caps to a sniper dread hotdrop in Detorid, followed by a nasty POS grind in the DG- constellation where we often outnumbered them with the help of PL and old-NC titans. We had retaken everything they had POS-spammed but hadn't yet been able to evict them from their NPC staging system.

The far south was another matter however. At the time we owned a pretty huge swathe of the map from Scalding Pass around to Paragon Soul. While we focused on stopping Bob in Detorid, our far south was under constant pressure from Russians including Stain Empire, -A- and ROL. Once a director spy dropped our sov in R2TJ we lost a vital jumpbridge link and couldn't properly defend the moon-rich Esoteria area. That space was gradually being eroded by downtime sieging, kiting and POS spam.

If the war had continued on that course, the most likely scenario I see would have been GoonSwarm surviving with a much smaller domain. We would have ceded any territory west of Tenerifis/Omist to the Russians and continued making life miserable for BoB until they gave up and returned to Delve. As for how history would have progressed from there... I guess we'll never know.
Tommy Nash
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2013-05-17 13:00:32 UTC
Vote for truth. Vote for justice?? Is a joke? Just check the results of the voting and laugh. Really predictable results.
Zaxix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-05-17 15:47:52 UTC
As much as I'd like to vote on some stories, 76 pages of crap is way too much to read through. Surely someone could provide a search feature of some sort?

Bokononist

 

Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#44 - 2013-05-17 16:54:19 UTC
Don't think Soundwave was involved, and I seriously doubt t0rfi frans or any of the story people at CCP have any particular bias towards goons.
Shadow Lord77
Shadow Industries I
#45 - 2013-05-17 18:21:05 UTC
CCP should have hand-picked the results themselves. It's no surprise the Goonswarm's own Mittani is/going to get the win. All they have to do is tell every alliance mate to vote for his story regardless of how good it is. Mittani writes a ton of buzzwords and everyone starts drooling. Ridiculous is the word that springs into my mind.
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#46 - 2013-05-17 18:47:09 UTC  |  Edited by: EvilweaselSA
yes the guy who wrote a story about one of the seminal events in eve history, who writes well enough that he started a reasonably successful gaming website and leads the most successful alliance in eve history winning the vote: this is an indication of cheating

i demand more stories about the thrill-a-minute life of the highsec nobody
Tommy Nash
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2013-05-17 19:25:19 UTC
I wont say "cheating", thats an ugly word. The correct word is nepotism.

By the way a good story doesnt needs to be about "epic" events. Normally is not only what you tell, but how you tell it. Having a gaming website has nothing to do with story telling and to be honest a story where metagaming is involved destroys the immersion of the tale.
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#48 - 2013-05-17 21:57:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk
EvilweaselSA wrote:
yes the guy who wrote a story about one of the seminal events in eve history, who writes well enough that he started a reasonably successful gaming website and leads the most successful alliance in eve history winning the vote: this is an indication of cheating

i demand more stories about the thrill-a-minute life of the highsec nobody


I don't think anyone suggested he cheated in any way.
However his very success in EVE means what he actually wrote is mostly irrelevant since his upvotes come from his friends, and he's proven in the past he can get 10k votes if he wants to, which is 15x more votes than the most upvoted non-goon story.

Not sure I'd agree GoonSwarm is the most successful alliance in eve history..
I do think it's been the best organized alliance for a few years now tho
Pon Teyuen
Perkone
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-05-17 22:28:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Pon Teyuen
Tommy Nash wrote:

By the way a good story doesnt needs to be about "epic" events. Normally is not only what you tell, but how you tell it. Having a gaming website has nothing to do with story telling and to be honest a story where metagaming is involved destroys the immersion of the tale.


I agree. But in fairness, Mittani's is by no means the only story whose narrative style is non-immersive. A majority of the submissions are written in a way that emphasizes the "I'm telling you about my experiences sitting at a computer playing a game". aspect versus a "real experience filtered through the eyes of a New Eden capsuleer".

Although doubtless Alliance bloc voting etc. was a factor, this may simply be that such an immersive style is too "RP'ish" for a playerbase notoriously allergic to roleplaying (which I often attribute to the high number of engineer types that play EVE). Likewise, it may be the assumption that an epic/large event tale even if written like an AAR has potential that can be realized in adaptation -- seeing as even the best written entry will likely never make it into media with its original prose. Ironically, it will be the ultimate RP rewrite.

I say this as an entrant who believes his slice of life pieces aren't epic ( but which I confess I think are well written) and believes smaller stories well told have a place, and has voted for others' stories some of whom are beautifully told. Yet I don't beieve that a the success of the winning stories is just about vote rigging. That's sour grapes.

That said, I do feel determining "artistic merit" soley via vote, particularly in the political bloc and power center heavy world of EVE is a bit odd. I'm hoping if not prizes, some of CCP's creative teams and artistic collaborators will themselves look through the stories to mine them for source material as well.
Pon Teyuen
Perkone
Caldari State
#50 - 2013-05-17 22:39:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Pon Teyuen
I'm assuming CCP noticed this also, hence the devblog, but the super-concentration of votes to a few stories mostly involving organized power blocs and the few votes applied anywhere else indicate frankly that this project simply isn't interesting to the vast majority of EVE players unfortunately. This vote distribution pattern is common in extremely low turnout "elections".
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#51 - 2013-05-18 14:06:18 UTC
Houm, i may be doing something wrong... browsed the 4 first pages and didn't find any story that caught my eye to read nor had a high rating. Are they sorted randomly, maybe? Where are the best ones?
Pon Teyuen
Perkone
Caldari State
#52 - 2013-05-18 15:07:52 UTC
Zaxix wrote:
As much as I'd like to vote on some stories, 76 pages of crap is way too much to read through. Surely someone could provide a search feature of some sort?


Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Houm, i may be doing something wrong... browsed the 4 first pages and didn't find any story that caught my eye to read nor had a high rating. Are they sorted randomly, maybe? Where are the best ones?


Yes. The header above the stories displayed on the home screen is Random Stories. It picks a random selection of 5(?) stories when you visit. It doesn't give you a new selection until you've at least looked through them.

As far as a Search...
(A) there is a search, its labeled search on the page. It lets you search by characters, corp, keywords etc.

(B) the Tags section lets you see the top corps/alliances/characters and lets you filter by corp tag, alliance, character, solar system, region...

(C) the Stories section lets you look at stories arranged randomly, or by most read, most voted, most discussed
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#53 - 2013-05-18 15:50:09 UTC
Pon Teyuen wrote:
Zaxix wrote:
As much as I'd like to vote on some stories, 76 pages of crap is way too much to read through. Surely someone could provide a search feature of some sort?


Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Houm, i may be doing something wrong... browsed the 4 first pages and didn't find any story that caught my eye to read nor had a high rating. Are they sorted randomly, maybe? Where are the best ones?


Yes. The header above the stories displayed on the home screen is Random Stories. It picks a random selection of 5(?) stories when you visit. It doesn't give you a new selection until you've at least looked through them.

As far as a Search...
(A) there is a search, its labeled search on the page. It lets you search by characters, corp, keywords etc.

(B) the Tags section lets you see the top corps/alliances/characters and lets you filter by corp tag, alliance, character, solar system, region...

(C) the Stories section lets you look at stories arranged randomly, or by most read, most voted, most discussed


Kudos! No surprise the usual suspects are getting all votes, but i've found some interesting stuff on top of that.
CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#54 - 2013-05-18 18:29:51 UTC
I have removed some rumor mongering from this thread.

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EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#55 - 2013-05-22 00:45:01 UTC
~~justice won~~
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-05-22 06:29:26 UTC
Goon Justice.

e: wait no that's something else entirely.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

Alsyth
#57 - 2013-05-22 17:22:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Alsyth
"At the end of the day, this isn’t about the trip to Iceland, or the decade of PLEX, or marveling at the stunning Icelandic nature." ... this is about giving 240 plexes and 2 trips to Iceland to a powerful alliance just because they have good numbers.

The stories do not matter and every sensible person knows that.
Mittani could have submitted a story with five words in it "I own you CCP lol", he would still have won.

You makes yourself appear stupid with this one, CCP.
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-05-22 17:29:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Jowen Datloran
Hey, the poor handling of this event by CCP (face it, the outcome of this "competition" was pretty much a given) will make a good story in ten years. Oh yes, looking forward to those PLEX and to get mud in my face in the Blue Lagoon.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#59 - 2013-05-22 20:35:26 UTC
Alsyth wrote:
"At the end of the day, this isn’t about the trip to Iceland, or the decade of PLEX, or marveling at the stunning Icelandic nature." ... this is about giving 240 plexes and 2 trips to Iceland to a powerful alliance just because they have good numbers.

The stories do not matter and every sensible person knows that.
Mittani could have submitted a story with five words in it "I own you CCP lol", he would still have won.

You makes yourself appear stupid with this one, CCP.

~we'll never know cause we won with great stories fair and square~
Pon Teyuen
Perkone
Caldari State
#60 - 2013-05-23 13:07:39 UTC
I do have a question. Since my story isn't being actively used by CCP, is there a restriction for my using it -- such as on a non-income web project I am considering?

I know that CCP reserves the right to use the materials/content in the future in anything they want by the terms of the contest. I guess I'm just wondering if that restricts my right to publish it online.