Crime & Punishment

Greetings EVE Pilots! \

My name is Asatru Normsbjorn, and I've recently been recruit scammed by the corporation name of ElitistOps which is part of Pandemic Legion in the amount of 5bil. Marshmellow Madness, recruiter from ElitistOps asked for 5bil isk as form of deposit for security clearance which will be returned to new recruit after 90 days if new recruit didn't participate in any suspicious activity during the period. I trusted big name alliance "Pandemic Legion" and deposited 5bil into ElitisOps corporate wallet. After submitting deposit and application to join ElitistOps, their CEO asked another 3bil deposit due to one of their member does not trust me even with 5bil deposit. I complained and this is not the initial agreement and either accept me or return 5bil isk back to me. Dishonorably, they refuse to return 5bil isk and started to reveal their true purpose of this recruit scam.

I am writing so that no more of this kind of victims should arise due to trusting the big name alliance Pandemic Legion. I will do my best to seek justice in resolving this issue and I hope Leaders of Pandemic Legion should pay attention in resolving this issue. I truly don't think Pandemic Legion is allowing this kind of scamming corporation to stand beside their fellow pilots.

Seriously for 5bil isk? Are you that broke?

Below is Conversation between me and recruiter

Asatru Nornsbjorn > I'll join PL
marshmallow madness > i am one of those titans and one of those supers and one of those carriers =P
Asatru Nornsbjorn > you have many toons
marshmallow madness > i have 9 accounts active
Asatru Nornsbjorn > wow
Asatru Nornsbjorn > this is business for you
marshmallow madness > this is PL
Asatru Nornsbjorn > I can never get to do that
marshmallow madness > give it time =)
marshmallow madness > everyone in PL is rich you wont get left out
Asatru Nornsbjorn > well I like to have some fun, sign me in
marshmallow madness > k send deposit apply to corp
marshmallow madness > i have APIs i'll submit them to alliance
Asatru Nornsbjorn > deposit is sent
Asatru Nornsbjorn > also applied to join
marshmallow madness > kk
marshmallow madness > i'll tell CEO to login for ap
marshmallow madness > app
Asatru Nornsbjorn > any word from CEO?
marshmallow madness > he said he's eating dinner and is only on cellphone he'll be on in a bit
marshmallow madness > probably jerking it
marshmallow madness > CEO discovered what was fishy ... Blitzkreig was red to us at one point and wants to reject your app i convinced him that if you put in another 3b i will vouch for you and take on any other losses cause i think you legit
Asatru Nornsbjorn > don't have enough isk dude
Asatru Nornsbjorn > my total was 9 bil
marshmallow madness > i will personally refund your 3b after 2 weeks
marshmallow madness > ****
marshmallow madness > ummm
marshmallow madness > how much do you have?
Asatru Nornsbjorn > this is getting way out of my league, as much as I want to be Pandemic Legion, I can't give all my isk to join
Asatru Nornsbjorn > do you understand?
marshmallow madness > yah
Asatru Nornsbjorn > I had 9 bil and gave more than half away already
marshmallow madness > i can front 1b of it if you can put in the other 2
Asatru Nornsbjorn > look man, if you guys having difficult in trusting in new recruit, I understand, I had put much faith in PL to put down 5bil, cause PL is big name.
Asatru Nornsbjorn > I had difficult choice in depositing 5bil myself.
Asatru Nornsbjorn > but I decided to give faith in first so you can too put faith in me
Asatru Nornsbjorn > sorry but I can't put anymore isk. If you still can't trust me, that's fine, refund my deposit back and I will find another corp
Asatru Nornsbjorn > well I got your answer
Asatru Nornsbjorn > I just been rejected
Asatru Nornsbjorn > can I have my deposit back?
marshmallow madness > no
Asatru Nornsbjorn > so is this becoming a scam?
marshmallow madness > no
Asatru Nornsbjorn > big name Pandemic Legion will scam against 1 individual?
Asatru Nornsbjorn > what's happening? explain plz
Asatru Nornsbjorn > am I misunderstanding?
marshmallow madness > we are insterested in you joining we have a trust barrier do to your corp history we are asking you comply with a deposit you do not want to give us that amount so we cannot accept you sorry
marshmallow madness > not sure what else there is to this
Asatru Nornsbjorn > original agreement was 5bil
Asatru Nornsbjorn > you changed agreement after the deposit has been made
Asatru Nornsbjorn > this is called breach in agreement
marshmallow madness > CEO changed it i can't override his will
Asatru Nornsbjorn > ok, fine, all I'm asking is to return my deposit

Reads like it's your fault for not paying the full price (though who knows, probably a scam anyway)

This was your error.

Once something leaves your direct control, assume it is gone forever or do not part with it.

Welcome to eve.

I already expected people would say "you are dumb, stupid, it's your error to fall for such scam and etc" Please make more traffic and put more posts and make this thread interesting. This is exactly how I want it to be. My goal is to scratch Pandemic Legion's name more than 5bil isk worth. Big alliance should be scared of Propaganda.

Hah, good luck with that.

There's a reason they're not in Merc Contracts channel yet are the most powerful mercs in the game. People already know what they can be like, and no one cares because they kill EVERYTHING

It pains me to promote this further, however I am unable to resist the stupid, and felt compelled to comment.

Disgraceful. PL, like their fellow space pilots Goonswarm, are the epitome of Honorable Internet Spaceship Pilots and never scam anybody, ever.

This is an obvious attempt to smear the good name of PL by Nefarious People.

I suspect the Russians, of course.

I Laughed >_< Hard.

That convo was obviously doctored. PL are honorable space captains who would never scam.

My friend don't take this as an insult, but not only does your trust of 5bil in this instance strike me as moronically naive, but also tells of a lack in understanding day-to-day logical societal negotiations, which eve serves as an incredible simulator of:

They requested 5bil for 90 days as a collateral of sorts to insure themselves from any negative impact your successful application might ensue. You would have avoided this sum were you to question yourself, and thus them, on the appropriate way in which one would be able to inflict 5 billion ISK worth of damages on them (which the collateral serves to protect them from) within 90 days, given your stature as a new recruit. By not questioning the collateral you ensured that only one party - them - was insured from any negative consequences (of up to 5bil ISK) of this particular deal.

Put simply, you did not collateralize your collateral which you gave onto them, an action which would have insured both parties against damages in the value of said collateral.

There is no trick to common societal sense such as this; everyone naturally seeks their own profit in all their actions, so all you need to do to guarantee you see a similar way to profit is simply question everything that is asked of you, an action which will result at its conclusion either a satisfactory deal to both logically-adept parties or, in this instance, the branding of one as a social moron in that instance by the other, and any third parties that spectate (very much the rest of this thread).

The good news is you came away from this situation with a lesson learned far more valuable than 5bil ISK.

Right?