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Does my 30 day AP0 ban count as a first strike?

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Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-05-18 14:58:52 UTC
So, basically, what I have gathered from this thread is that the tempban didn't do OP any good, and he/she fully intends to cheat, again and/or probably already is. Basically said "f**k the EULA, f**k CCP, and f**k the rest of the players... I'll clientmod if I damn well please"

Permaban him/her, now, CCP.... please?

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Bloody Wench
#22 - 2013-05-18 15:03:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloody Wench
I've been on the wagon for 30 days.

Everyone has to start somewhere on the road to reformation.

I accept Jesus as my saviour, and repent.

[u]**Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote: **[/u]  CCP should not only make local delayed in highsec, but they should also require one be undocked to use it. Then, even the local spammers have some skin in the game. Support a High Resolution Texture Pack
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-05-18 15:09:47 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:
Tuttomenui II wrote:
It is the account that gets the strikes not the character. Not sure about the rest, but some type bans I hear not sure on this either they may ban all accounts associated with the same E-mail address if one of them is used for certain things and the others are not.



On the day in question, I used AP0 on 2 different accounts, one was reprimanded, the other not. Both were used for about the same length of time. 18-20 jumps. All accounts are properly registered to one person on one email. So at least for this, on this occasion, they didn't go hog wild and shitcan the whole lot. Which would have sucked. Lesson learnt.



So they should have banned both your accounts.


What in the world were you thinking that made it allowed.

Nobody will buy this character anyway with such post history....so good luck.

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Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-05-18 15:10:52 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:
I've been on the wagon for 30 days.

Everyone has to start somewhere on the road to reformation.


I said it in the other thread.... people like you are the reason I had to go and download all the trainers and hacks, back when Diablo, Command and Conquer, Unreal Tournament, and MechCommander were still popular, online. "Only cheat defensively", we used to say. Turning on all of those external cheat programs, just to keep someone from screwing with the game, was annoying.
Nowdays, developers have watchdog programs that make it so people like me don't have to break the rules to hold back people like you.

Quit cheating, for good, or go back to singleplayer games. It's not that hard a concept.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Vaihto Ehto
#25 - 2013-05-18 15:13:12 UTC
Why werent these people banned for good, btw?

Why would you not use an alt to post on the forums?
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-05-18 15:22:46 UTC
... waits for CCP to stop wasting time and resources, and simply accept the fact that the only solution is the "nuclear solution"... First Offense = Permaban.

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Bloody Wench
#27 - 2013-05-18 15:24:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloody Wench
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Bloody Wench wrote:
I've been on the wagon for 30 days.

Everyone has to start somewhere on the road to reformation.


I said it in the other thread.... people like you are the reason I had to go and download all the trainers and hacks, back when Diablo, Command and Conquer, Unreal Tournament, and MechCommander were still popular, online. "Only cheat defensively", we used to say. Turning on all of those external cheat programs, just to keep someone from screwing with the game, was annoying.
Nowdays, developers have watchdog programs that make it so people like me don't have to break the rules to hold back people like you.

Quit cheating, for good, or go back to singleplayer games. It's not that hard a concept.



Was it fun though in those other games? Doing the things you did 'defensively'?

AP0 wasn't for lolz, it was because the mechanism and game play sucked, and sucked so much that I was prepared to 'bend' the rules a little to not have to do it. I like EVE, if I didn't I wouldn't still be here after 7 years, or I'd be doing much much worse things in order to force the issue, and get myself inextricably banned for eternity.

Planetside 2 however was for the jollies. Holy hell I tell you, instagibbing aircraft was pissfunny and never got old. Some of the best battles were against other 'hackers' using the same stuff I was, real contest of wills. What did get old was the hoops you had to jump through to bypass their ban methods. Eventually I just stopped doing it.

Eve has much bigger fish to fry in the hacks/cheats/RMT arena than some silly 15000 range mod. AP0 was just for fanfest, like Unholy Rage. It's no coincidence it always happens right before fanfest. Big PR exercise to placate the masses and give the impression that something is being done.

[u]**Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote: **[/u]  CCP should not only make local delayed in highsec, but they should also require one be undocked to use it. Then, even the local spammers have some skin in the game. Support a High Resolution Texture Pack
Prince Kobol
#28 - 2013-05-18 15:30:08 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Bloody Wench wrote:
I've been on the wagon for 30 days.

Everyone has to start somewhere on the road to reformation.


I said it in the other thread.... people like you are the reason I had to go and download all the trainers and hacks, back when Diablo, Command and Conquer, Unreal Tournament, and MechCommander were still popular, online. "Only cheat defensively", we used to say. Turning on all of those external cheat programs, just to keep someone from screwing with the game, was annoying.
Nowdays, developers have watchdog programs that make it so people like me don't have to break the rules to hold back people like you.

Quit cheating, for good, or go back to singleplayer games. It's not that hard a concept.



Was it fun though in those other games? Doing the things you did 'defensively'?

AP0 wasn't for lolz, it was because the mechanism and game play sucked, and sucked so much that I was prepared to 'bend' the rules a little to not have to do it. I like EVE, if I didn't I wouldn't still be here after 7 years, or I'd be doing much much worse things in order to force the issue, and get myself inextricably banned for eternity.

Planetside 2 however was for the jollies. Holy hell I tell you, instagibbing aircraft was pissfunny and never got old. Some of the best battles were against other 'hackers' using the same stuff I was, real contest of wills. What did get old was the hoops you had to jump through to bypass their ban methods. Eventually I just stopped doing it.

Eve has much bigger fish to fry in the hacks/cheats/RMT arena than some silly 15000 range mod. AP0 was just for fanfest, like Unholy Rage. It's no coincidence it always happens right before fanfest. Big PR exercise to placate the masses and give the impression that something is being done.


Yep... butthurt :)
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-05-18 15:30:47 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Bloody Wench wrote:
I've been on the wagon for 30 days.

Everyone has to start somewhere on the road to reformation.


I said it in the other thread.... people like you are the reason I had to go and download all the trainers and hacks, back when Diablo, Command and Conquer, Unreal Tournament, and MechCommander were still popular, online. "Only cheat defensively", we used to say. Turning on all of those external cheat programs, just to keep someone from screwing with the game, was annoying.
Nowdays, developers have watchdog programs that make it so people like me don't have to break the rules to hold back people like you.

Quit cheating, for good, or go back to singleplayer games. It's not that hard a concept.



Was it fun though in those other games? Doing the things you did 'defensively'?

AP0 wasn't for lolz, it was because the mechanism and game play sucked, and sucked so much that I was prepared to 'bend' the rules a little to not have to do it. I like EVE, if I didn't I wouldn't still be here after 7 years, or I'd be doing much much worse things in order to force the issue, and get myself inextricably banned for eternity.

Planetside 2 however was for the jollies. Holy hell I tell you, instagibbing aircraft was pissfunny and never got old. Some of the best battles was against other 'hackers' using the same stuff I was, real contest of wills. What did get old was the hoops you had to jump through to bypass their ban methods. Eventually I just stopped doing it.

Eve has much bigger fish to fry in the hacks/cheats/RMT arena than some silly 15000 range mod. AP0 was just for fanfest, like Unholy Rage. It's no coincidence it always happens right before fanfest. Big PR exercise to placate the masses and give the impression that something is being done.


No, it wasn't fun. The "easy button" is never fun, in games, or in real life. That's why I prefer to solo-hunt, when I PvP... I enjoy the game a lot more when I come out of a fight in hull, then in a 25-man gang where I helped kill 5 ships, and never got redboxed.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Bloody Wench
#30 - 2013-05-18 15:32:55 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
... waits for CCP to stop wasting time and resources, and simply accept the fact that the only solution is the "nuclear solution"... First Offense = Permaban.



I totally agree. Not just the one account either, every account attached to it. Also anyone running on a VM or through a proxy.

Don't care what the legitimate reasons are for proxy or VM, want to play EVE, don't do it.

[u]**Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote: **[/u]  CCP should not only make local delayed in highsec, but they should also require one be undocked to use it. Then, even the local spammers have some skin in the game. Support a High Resolution Texture Pack
Bloody Wench
#31 - 2013-05-18 15:39:45 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:


No, it wasn't fun. The "easy button" is never fun, in games, or in real life.


Then we'll just have to disagree. People can disagree, it's ok.
I enjoy riding way too fast on public roads, and I can't tell you the amount of grief I get about that from friends and family.
Ultimately it's my choice and I'll live with, or die by, the outcomes.
Not everyone sees things the same way. We can't always help what we enjoy.


[u]**Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote: **[/u]  CCP should not only make local delayed in highsec, but they should also require one be undocked to use it. Then, even the local spammers have some skin in the game. Support a High Resolution Texture Pack
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-05-18 15:48:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarod Garamonde
Bloody Wench wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:


No, it wasn't fun. The "easy button" is never fun, in games, or in real life.


Then we'll just have to disagree. People can disagree, it's ok.
I enjoy riding way too fast on public roads, and I can't tell you the amount of grief I get about that from friends and family.
Ultimately it's my choice and I'll live with, or die by, the outcomes.
Not everyone sees things the same way. We can't always help what we enjoy.





Driving fast, IRL, is not the same as cheating in an MMO.
I have an old Datsun that I've tweaked to over 400 horsepower. With my own hands. Think I don't know a thing or two about speed? You're not lessening everyone else's driving experience by having a faster ride than them (unless you're being a total pillock on the motorway, and directly endangering the other drivers). You ARE lessening other people's gaming experience when you cheat... and furthermore, people ragequit over cheaters. Every account that chucks the deuces is less income for CCP.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Malak Dawnfire
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#33 - 2013-05-18 16:08:42 UTC
Did I miss something last night? AP0? Guessing a way to bypass the 15km or so autopilot travel distance before a warp?
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#34 - 2013-05-18 16:12:39 UTC

Applicable.


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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#35 - 2013-05-18 16:12:40 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:
I enjoy riding way too fast on public roads, and I can't tell you the amount of grief I get about that from friends and family.
Ultimately it's my choice and I'll live with, or die by, the outcomes.
Good. Hopefully, they'll grief you into stop being an ass before the grief becomes real.
Because ultimately, you're not the only one that will have to live or die by the outcome of your idiocy.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-05-18 16:19:55 UTC
Malak Dawnfire wrote:
Did I miss something last night? AP0? Guessing a way to bypass the 15km or so autopilot travel distance before a warp?


The OP felt that he, unlike the rest of the playerbase, is exempt to the limitations put in place by the game developers. As a result, he and others were given 30 day suspensions to show them the error of their ways.

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CCP Stillman
C C P
C C P Alliance
#37 - 2013-05-18 16:23:51 UTC
The strike isn't against the character, it's against an "individual"(the owner of the account) as we can see it in our system.

If you sell the character, the owner does not inherit the strike. If you create a new account the strike does not transfer directly, but a GM will notice that you have an account which has done naughty things, and they will take that into account.

My suggestion would be to stay on the right side of the law from now on, and you'll be fine. An AP0 infraction is serious, mind you.

If you have any further or specific questions, I my recommendation will be to file a petition, and a GM can help you further Smile

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Bloody Wench
#38 - 2013-05-18 16:24:55 UTC
Andski wrote:
Malak Dawnfire wrote:
Did I miss something last night? AP0? Guessing a way to bypass the 15km or so autopilot travel distance before a warp?


The OP felt that he and 2300 others, are exempt to the limitations put in place by the game developers. As a result, he and others were given 30 day suspensions to show them the error of their ways.



FIXT

[u]**Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote: **[/u]  CCP should not only make local delayed in highsec, but they should also require one be undocked to use it. Then, even the local spammers have some skin in the game. Support a High Resolution Texture Pack
Bloody Wench
#39 - 2013-05-18 16:25:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloody Wench
CCP Stillman wrote:
The strike isn't against the character, it's against an "individual"(the owner of the account) as we can see it in our system.

If you sell the character, the owner does not inherit the strike. If you create a new account the strike does not transfer directly, but a GM will notice that you have an account which has done naughty things, and they will take that into account.

My suggestion would be to stay on the right side of the law from now on, and you'll be fine. An AP0 infraction is serious, mind you.

If you have any further or specific questions, I my recommendation will be to file a petition, and a GM can help you further Smile


Cheers BigEars.

Oh and lift the bans? Since it's the 18th and all. It's your name on the ticket. I gotz me some autopiloting to do.

[u]**Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote: **[/u]  CCP should not only make local delayed in highsec, but they should also require one be undocked to use it. Then, even the local spammers have some skin in the game. Support a High Resolution Texture Pack
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2013-05-18 16:28:46 UTC