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Counter to kiting Condor
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feihcsiM
THE B0YS
#61 - 2013-05-18 12:37:15 UTC
Zen Guerrilla wrote:
Let me elaborate what i actually meant:
I was talking about catching a condor that lands RIGHT ON TOP of you. While you lock him, he has time enough to cycle the MWD and pick up speed before the scram shuts the MWD off. Thanks to a magical internet spaceship thing called inertia, he has a pretty good chance he can still get out of web/scram range due to the top speed of a boosted condor.


Agreed. Sit still at the beacon & lock kitey ship as it comes in = probably dead, and funnily enough it's what most people do.
That's why if you suspect a ship on short scan is kite fit it's good practice to sit just behind the plex warp-in beacon with your mids overheated, activate the AB as he shows on grid and spam approach as you lock. That way it's nearly impossible for anyone to pull enough range on a single MWD cycle to escape the hard tackle. It does happen, but rarely.

It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.
1st-Garrentious WispBender
Doomheim
#62 - 2013-05-18 13:27:12 UTC
I typically use a fan to counter kites. One day one of my fellow Federal Defense Union buddy buds fell into my fan... You know what they say, sometimes the $#17 just hits the fan.
Haulie Berry
#63 - 2013-05-18 15:22:50 UTC
Zen Guerrilla wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Quote:
A scrammed, webbed condor WILL get out of your web/scram range if he is boosted. Trust me. Even without boosts, i need to overload web/scram/ab to keep them from getting away.


You're daft.

Boosts apply to AB/MWD velocity - not base speed.

Anything AB fit with a scram will trivially outrun them with no prop.

I guess we could "trust you" but you don't seem to have the first ******* clue what you're talking about.

The base velocity of a Condor, at all 5s, with no prop, is 500 m/s. Even with a HG snake set, it only goes to 620ish, and with a T2 web applied, it's about 250. If they are outrunning you while webbed/scrammed, there are one of two possibilities:

1. They have a weird-ass dualprop + web fit.
2. You have a terminal case of the bads.

Even with dualprop, HG snakes, and boosts, you're only talking about 800m/s, ballpark.


Well hello there, dumb alt. \o
That a ship with ab+scram or web+scram or any similiar combination is faster than a condor without the MWD is pretty obvious, thanks so much for telling me.

Let me elaborate what i actually meant:
I was talking about catching a condor that lands RIGHT ON TOP of you. While you lock him, he has time enough to cycle the MWD and pick up speed before the scram shuts the MWD off. Thanks to a magical internet spaceship thing called inertia, he has a pretty good chance he can still get out of web/scram range due to the top speed of a boosted condor.





1. It's kind of adorable watching you try to present your inability to articulate yourself as if it were somehow my problem.
2. Unless you're excruciatingly slow on your lock+scram, they will not get that much inertia.

I'm sticking with my previous diagnosis of a terminal case of the bads.
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
#64 - 2013-05-18 18:20:02 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:

2. Unless you're excruciatingly slow on your lock+scram, they will not get that much inertia.

Spamming the lock button while they come out of warp. Can't get faster than that. But there always is that half second they can use the MWD once. And that can be enough.

But w/e, you obviously have way more experience than me in frigate pvp, right? Roll

pew pew
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2013-05-18 20:02:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsukino Stareine
scram instantly shuts down a MWD module when applied, you will not get a full cycle off even if you activated it beforehand. Plus the sig bloom means you are instalocked by anything smaller than a cruiser.

Art of Explosions
Haulie Berry
#66 - 2013-05-18 21:11:25 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
scram instantly shuts down a MWD module when applied, you will not get a full cycle off even if you activated it beforehand. Plus the sig bloom means you are instalocked by anything smaller than a cruiser.



Correct. So, like I said - Case of the bads. Lol
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#67 - 2013-05-18 22:42:26 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
scram instantly shuts down a MWD module when applied, you will not get a full cycle off even if you activated it beforehand. Plus the sig bloom means you are instalocked by anything smaller than a cruiser.



Correct. So, like I said - Case of the bads. Lol


It really is still possible for the inertia to carry the condor out of web scram range even though the frigate lands the web and scram on the condor. Most of the time the only condors that do this are loki boosted+HG snake set condor pilots and it is easily compensated by having your own interdiction manuever links for the increased tackle range so the inertia won't carry them far enough.


If you don't have links, a light missile hookbill will do the job for you for taking out these pesky condors.