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CCP Atropos
C C P
C C P Alliance
#21 - 2013-05-18 11:41:21 UTC
Smoking Blunts wrote:

edit.
currently for a fleet fight I click the client that I know is in our staging system. its all pre set to have low graphics and on the correct monitor allocation. I open it and simply add a password. so with in 1 min im ready to pew pew.
what you seam to be implying is I need to log into a forum using 3 different bits of information. select from over 20 different toon's, adjust my settings there and then log in.
I don't like what you seam to want to do to my work flow tbh

No, you're misunderstanding. Just rest assured that our goal is to make it easier and quicker to log in and play the game for both people with multiple accounts and those with just one.
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#22 - 2013-05-18 11:57:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Smoking Blunts
CCP Atropos wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:

edit.
currently for a fleet fight I click the client that I know is in our staging system. its all pre set to have low graphics and on the correct monitor allocation. I open it and simply add a password. so with in 1 min im ready to pew pew.
what you seam to be implying is I need to log into a forum using 3 different bits of information. select from over 20 different toon's, adjust my settings there and then log in.
I don't like what you seam to want to do to my work flow tbh

No, you're misunderstanding. Just rest assured that our goal is to make it easier and quicker to log in and play the game for both people with multiple accounts and those with just one.


the changes with the current sisi launcher are not showing me that tbh.
currently, I open a client, hot key a password in and hit return. so 2 mouse clicks 2 buttons and im at client screen
on sisi I have to open client, select the password box, hot key password, hit enter and then click play. 2mouse clicks, 1 mouse click, 2 buttons, 1 mouse click and then im at client log in
why the extra unneeded steps? extra pointless unneeded steps are exactly that, pointless and unneeded

might seam like a small thing, but somehow the current trend is ccp adding extra annoying steps in at every point in the name of making things easier

OMG when can i get a pic here
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#23 - 2013-05-18 12:10:49 UTC
Maybe delay the amputation until you have the replacement part ready?

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-05-18 12:29:54 UTC
Smoking Blunts wrote:
CCP Atropos wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:

edit.
currently for a fleet fight I click the client that I know is in our staging system. its all pre set to have low graphics and on the correct monitor allocation. I open it and simply add a password. so with in 1 min im ready to pew pew.
what you seam to be implying is I need to log into a forum using 3 different bits of information. select from over 20 different toon's, adjust my settings there and then log in.
I don't like what you seam to want to do to my work flow tbh

No, you're misunderstanding. Just rest assured that our goal is to make it easier and quicker to log in and play the game for both people with multiple accounts and those with just one.


the changes with the current sisi launcher are not showing me that tbh.
currently, I open a client, hot key a password in and hit return. so 2 mouse clicks 2 buttons and im at client screen
on sisi I have to open client, select the password box, hot key password, hit enter and then click play. 2mouse clicks, 1 mouse click, 2 buttons, 1 mouse click and then im at client log in
why the extra unneeded steps? extra pointless unneeded steps are exactly that, pointless and unneeded

might seam like a small thing, but somehow the current trend is ccp adding extra annoying steps in at every point in the name of making things easier



I call it the Lander effect, i can literally physically feel his presence in this stuff.

already dead, just haven´t fallen over yet....
J3ssica Biel
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-05-18 12:38:52 UTC
CCP should really just implement the master account idea where you can link all your accounts together and login with one username
Johan Toralen
IIIJIIIITIIII
#26 - 2013-05-18 12:46:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Johan Toralen
Smoking Blunts wrote:
the changes with the current sisi launcher are not showing me that tbh.
currently, I open a client, hot key a password in and hit return. so 2 mouse clicks 2 buttons and im at client screen
on sisi I have to open client, select the password box, hot key password, hit enter and then click play. 2mouse clicks, 1 mouse click, 2 buttons, 1 mouse click and then im at client log in
why the extra unneeded steps? extra pointless unneeded steps are exactly that, pointless and unneeded


Your math is off.

Old method: open launcher, click play, select pw box, enter pw, hit enter.

New method: open launcher, select pw box, enter pw, hit enter, click play.

Same number of steps in slightly different order but you're in the game quicker.

edit: granted click play is redundant in the new method. after entering the pw that should be a sure sign that you want to play. So with a bit of streamling the new method will have even a step less then the old method.
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
#27 - 2013-05-18 13:00:19 UTC
CCP Atropos wrote:
Marlise Chelien wrote:
I don't see anything particularly annoying about this new system as long as the "classic" login screen is left in the client (since I and some others I know launch the game directly from the exefile.exe to speed up the launching process between patches). it would be nice to see a new login animation but i think its more important that the old login still be available at least.

For the moment the old method of logging into the client will remain, but in the long term we're intending to remove it. The old method doesn't fit with our plans to improve accessibility to the EVE Universe and with improvements to security such as two-factor authentication.

Please do not impose this **** on your players. If someone want that crap, it's their choice.
But for me, it's nothing more than a nuisance. And launcher is stupid slow to startup. It takes up to two minutes for it to go over whatever it is doing and let me click that "play" button. DO. NOT. WANT.

Two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. -- Harlan Ellison
CCP Atropos
C C P
C C P Alliance
#28 - 2013-05-18 13:15:57 UTC
Tonto Auri wrote:
CCP Atropos wrote:
Marlise Chelien wrote:
I don't see anything particularly annoying about this new system as long as the "classic" login screen is left in the client (since I and some others I know launch the game directly from the exefile.exe to speed up the launching process between patches). it would be nice to see a new login animation but i think its more important that the old login still be available at least.

For the moment the old method of logging into the client will remain, but in the long term we're intending to remove it. The old method doesn't fit with our plans to improve accessibility to the EVE Universe and with improvements to security such as two-factor authentication.

Please do not impose this **** on your players. If someone want that crap, it's their choice.
But for me, it's nothing more than a nuisance. And launcher is stupid slow to startup. It takes up to two minutes for it to go over whatever it is doing and let me click that "play" button. DO. NOT. WANT.

Two minutes everytime or just the first time?
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
#29 - 2013-05-18 13:20:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Tonto Auri
Every time I start launcher, it pups up and sit there doing IDK what before letting me click "Play", and then it's another 20 seconds for actual game to startup.
This is the reason I abandoned using launcher at all.
If you want to implement any additional authorization options - implement them in game client, not in some outside executable. Every second of startup time cost millions of ISK.

Two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. -- Harlan Ellison
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#30 - 2013-05-18 13:33:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Smoking Blunts
Johan Toralen wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:
the changes with the current sisi launcher are not showing me that tbh.
currently, I open a client, hot key a password in and hit return. so 2 mouse clicks 2 buttons and im at client screen
on sisi I have to open client, select the password box, hot key password, hit enter and then click play. 2mouse clicks, 1 mouse click, 2 buttons, 1 mouse click and then im at client log in
why the extra unneeded steps? extra pointless unneeded steps are exactly that, pointless and unneeded


Your math is off.

Old method: open launcher, click play, select pw box, enter pw, hit enter.

New method: open launcher, select pw box, enter pw, hit enter, click play.

Same number of steps in slightly different order but you're in the game quicker.

edit: granted click play is redundant in the new method. after entering the pw that should be a sure sign that you want to play. So with a bit of streamling the new method will have even a step less then the old method.


it defaults to the password box of the client when you set it to turn the launcher off when not downloading a patch currently. so no it isn't off, try it, go to launcher settings and click only show when patching. close it and open eve again.

OMG when can i get a pic here
StevieTopSiders
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-05-18 13:39:29 UTC
Lookit all dese mad nerds.

I think it's p sick, friend Atropos.
Johan Toralen
IIIJIIIITIIII
#32 - 2013-05-18 13:54:41 UTC
Smoking Blunts wrote:
it defaults to the password box of the client when you set it to turn the launcher off when not downloading a patch currently. so no it isn't off, try it, go to launcher settings and click only show when patching. close it and open eve again.


Gotcha. What CCP could do is offer an option to remember pw and log in automatically when starting the launcher. Then people with single accounts and people who use your style only have to open launcher and click play to get to the character selection.
Alexila Quant
Versatility Production Corporation' LLC
#33 - 2013-05-18 14:01:19 UTC
I like the direction this is headed but it does need some usability tweaks. For one, allowing multiple instance of the launcher for multiple accounts would be nice, or just allowing multiple accounts logged in on the launcher at the same time with separate launch buttons for each.
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#34 - 2013-05-18 14:04:13 UTC
Johan Toralen wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:
it defaults to the password box of the client when you set it to turn the launcher off when not downloading a patch currently. so no it isn't off, try it, go to launcher settings and click only show when patching. close it and open eve again.


Gotcha. What CCP could do is offer an option to remember pw and log in automatically when starting the launcher. Then people with single accounts and people who use your style only have to open launcher and click play to get to the character selection.


if it remembered my account and pass. I would be able to hit the eve button and go straight to the character selection, no need for the fluffy launcher at all. I like your thinking.

in any case, don't like the launcher, don't like even more steps being added in the name of making things easier. please think again CCP Atropos

OMG when can i get a pic here
Demolishar
United Aggression
#35 - 2013-05-18 15:17:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Demolishar
StevieTopSiders wrote:
Lookit all dese mad nerds.

I think it's p sick, friend Atropos.


Confirming making things worse is a good thing because it makes people mad.
Let's just shut down the whole EVE server forever - that would **** off the most people and therefore be the best possible thing CCP could do!

J3ssica Biel wrote:
CCP should really just implement the master account idea where you can link all your accounts together and login with one username


This would be good. Or have account "profiles" where you could save any combination of accounts as a single "login group" and log them in easily using that profile.

In it's current state this is change for the sake of change, and it is bad. It could be a good PLATFORM to introduce things like I mentioned, but until you actually add some sort of extra functionality to this to make it worth using it is worse than useless.

Maybe you have the best of intentions, Atropos, but we've seen in the past that CCP often introduces things with the promise of wonderful new features then leaves them to rot. I don't think I need to name examples. Please don't do it again - have this thing in a usable and IMPROVED state before you roll it out.
Wenthrial Solamar
Brand Newbros
#36 - 2013-05-18 15:22:30 UTC
Gotta say, I really like it, and don't see what the fuss is about.

It's New and not the same old method, but change is not all bad.
I will be a little sad to see the splash screen go, but this launcher works just as well if not better than the old launcher/login.

Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#37 - 2013-05-18 15:26:27 UTC
Wenthrial Solamar wrote:
Gotta say, I really like it, and don't see what the fuss is about.

It's New and not the same old method, but change is not all bad.
I will be a little sad to see the splash screen go, but this launcher works just as well if not better than the old launcher/login.



no it does not, for all the reason listed above

OMG when can i get a pic here
Pertuabo Enkidgan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-05-18 16:31:47 UTC
CCP Atropos wrote:
Marlise Chelien wrote:
I don't see anything particularly annoying about this new system as long as the "classic" login screen is left in the client (since I and some others I know launch the game directly from the exefile.exe to speed up the launching process between patches). it would be nice to see a new login animation but i think its more important that the old login still be available at least.

For the moment the old method of logging into the client will remain, but in the long term we're intending to remove it. The old method doesn't fit with our plans to improve accessibility to the EVE Universe and with improvements to security such as two-factor authentication.


I can't be down with this. I need my login screen, for reasons of tradition and the music. It'd be great if it was optional, but don't remove it like that.
James Razor
RazorEnterprise
#39 - 2013-05-18 17:57:58 UTC
CCP realy stands true to their ways. They always find new ways to disapoint me.

CCP Atropos, did u ever think of the possibility that people that dont like it when things are forced upon them? Especially the way CCP does it? Launchers are a plague tbh. I didnt see one until now that works or is confortable. It is just another plattform to spam us with advertisments and does nothing to help with our gameplay.

I am a multi-account user and until now i had no issue with that. But this launcher is simply a pain in the ass and as necessary as cancer. After 10 years CCP finaly finds out it would be nice to offer some support for multi-account users. But instead of asking ppl what they need or would like to see, CCP again decides they know best. Did you realy not lern form the past?

Old Bitter Veteran.
Hyi Max
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-05-18 18:44:01 UTC
I can't get into the test server. The Play button is missing. I have read all the posts here, and I see that some of you have been able to get past the new loader... but not me :-(

Also, it is showing Tranquility status, even though the launcher I launched is within the installation of the test server... so I am confused... will I end up on Singularity, or Tranquility?

Can someone initiate me into the secret entrance of the new loader?

Thanks !
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